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I am recommending this video series on the Debate and Spirituality forums. You don't have to view them in sequence although it probably helps some. Try out Lecture 5 for example. Michael Sandel is engaging and even entertaining.
Justice: What's the Right Thing to Do?
Michael Sandel
http://academicearth.org/courses/justice-whats-the-right-thing-to-do
01 May 11
Originally posted by JS357The thing about justice or what is moral requires some code, without one than
I am recommending this video series on the Debate and Spirituality forums. You don't have to view them in sequence although it probably helps some. Try out Lecture 5 for example. Michael Sandel is engaging and even entertaining.
Justice: What's the Right Thing to Do?
Michael Sandel
http://academicearth.org/courses/justice-whats-the-right-thing-to-do
all we have are opinions and desires. If there isn't a place where you know, you
are right side up, you'll never know if you are upside down.
Kelly
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Originally posted by KellyJayImagine a streetcar was out of control and headed toward 5 people and will kill them if nothing is done. You can divert the streetcar, and save those 5, but then it will hit one person, who will die. What parts of your moral code apply here, and what do they tell you to do? Should the laws of your society be written to punish others if they do not do what your moral code requires?
The thing about justice or what is moral requires some code, without one than
all we have are opinions and desires. If there isn't a place where you know, you
are right side up, you'll never know if you are upside down.
Kelly
01 May 11
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Originally posted by JS357Please people make choices like that all the time now days and our society is
Imagine a streetcar was out of control and headed toward 5 people and will kill them if nothing is done. You can divert the streetcar, and save those 5, but then it will hit one person, who will die. What parts of your moral code apply here, and what do they tell you to do? Should the laws of your society be written to punish others if they do not do what your moral code requires?
proud of have "choice". You don't need a good reason or bad one, just want
to and it is okay. Is five better or worse than one, shear math if that is your
scale than kill off a few to save the many, shall our reason for killing them
be they are a drain on the rest of us? I'd be careful where you take this
discussion for justification for killing is just a mindset for some.
Kelly
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Originally posted by JS357Thanks for passing this along.
I am recommending this video series on the Debate and Spirituality forums. You don't have to view them in sequence although it probably helps some. Try out Lecture 5 for example. Michael Sandel is engaging and even entertaining.
Justice: What's the Right Thing to Do?
Michael Sandel
http://academicearth.org/courses/justice-whats-the-right-thing-to-do
Watched "Lecture 7 - Lying and Principles" and found it interesting but can't say as I agreed with the assessment of the hypothetical case: "if your friend were hiding inside your home, and a person intent on killing your friend came to your door and asked you where he was, would it be wrong to tell a lie?" I didn't buy the points surrounding telling a "misleading truth".
02 May 11
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneDon't mix moral law with God's law. Don't mix lies with the truth.
Thanks for passing this along.
Watched "Lecture 7 - Lying and Principles" and found it interesting but can't say as I agreed with the assessment of the hypothetical case: "if your friend were hiding inside your home, and a person intent on killing your friend came to your door and asked you where he was, would it be wrong to tell a lie?" I didn't buy the points surrounding telling a "misleading truth".
02 May 11
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Originally posted by RJHindsDid you inadvertly respond to the wrong post?
Don't mix moral law with God's law. Don't mix lies with the truth.
If not, can you tell me specifically how this applies to my post?
While you're at it, what do you see as "God's law" and how does it differ with "moral law"?
02 May 11
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneGod's law is the fixed laws of the universe plus the unfixed laws given
Did you inadvertly respond to the wrong post?
If not, can you tell me specifically how this applies to my post?
While you're at it, what do you see as "God's law" and how does it differ with "moral law"?
to man in the form of the ten commandments. Moral law is manmade
and consists of laws that attempts to force man to conform to man's
idea of what is the right thing to do.
02 May 11
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Originally posted by RJHindsOnce again, can you tell me specifically how your earlier post applied to my earlier post?
God's law is the fixed laws of the universe plus the unfixed laws given
to man in the form of the ten commandments. Moral law is manmade
and consists of laws that attempts to force man to conform to man's
idea of what is the right thing to do.
To make sure I understand you, "God's law" is wholly contained in the ten commandments? If not, what does it include?
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Originally posted by ThinkOfOneI would like to be in a a group of people who agree to view and then discuss these lectures. Unfortunately, with people like yourself as exceptions, it does not appear that people want to view and then discuss. Also, in 3 days I am off for a month in Italy.🙂 Thank you for your considered response.
Thanks for passing this along.
Watched "Lecture 7 - Lying and Principles" and found it interesting but can't say as I agreed with the assessment of the hypothetical case: "if your friend were hiding inside your home, and a person intent on killing your friend came to your door and asked you where he was, would it be wrong to tell a lie?" I didn't buy the points surrounding telling a "misleading truth".
It is revealing to see how people react to my posting of this link.
02 May 11
Originally posted by JS357Well, if you decide later that you want to discuss it, let me know.
I would like to be in a a group of people who agree to view and then discuss these lectures. Unfortunately, with people like yourself as exceptions, it does not appear that people want to view and then discuss. Also, in 3 days I am off for a month in Italy.🙂 Thank you for your considered response.
It is revealing to see how people react to my posting of this link.
02 May 11
Originally posted by JS357It appears you did not like my response. But hasn't Jesus the Christ
I would like to be in a a group of people who agree to view and then discuss these lectures. Unfortunately, with people like yourself as exceptions, it does not appear that people want to view and then discuss. Also, in 3 days I am off for a month in Italy.🙂 Thank you for your considered response.
It is revealing to see how people react to my posting of this link.
already settled these questions and written the answers in our hearts.
He died on the cross to save the many as one example.
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02 May 11
Originally posted by RJHindsSo on that basis you would divert the street car which would kill 1, to save 5. Is that correct? I was not aware that you had seen any of the lectures. I think this example is in the first one.
It appears you did not like my response. But hasn't Jesus the Christ
already settled these questions and written the answers in our hearts.
He died on the cross to save the many as one example.
02 May 11
Originally posted by JS357The majority new that was the right thing to do because it was written
So on that basis you would divert the street car which would kill 1, to save 5. Is that correct? I was not aware that you had seen any of the lectures. I think this example is in the first one.
in there hearts. My comment on 7 was because of how Jesus
responded to similar incidents. When asked by the high priest, if He
was the Christ, the Son of God, and knowing the consequences of His
answer, He did not attempt to evade the answer. Jesus said to him,
"You said it yourself; nevertheless I tell you, hereafter you shall see
the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of power, and coming on the
clouds of heaven." (Matthew 26:64 New American Standard Bible)
Jesus even adds more than He was asked. And later knowing that
He could give an evasive answer to governor Pilate, since He was
not officially recognized as the King of the Jews at that time, He did
not lie.
Now Jesus stood before the governor, and the governor questioned Him,
saying, "Are you the King of the Jews?" And Jesus said to him, It is as
you say." (Matthew 27:11 NASB)
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02 May 11
Originally posted by RJHindsSo on that basis you would divert the street car which would kill 1, to save 5. Is that correct?
The majority new that was the right thing to do because it was written
in there hearts. My comment on 7 was because of how Jesus
responded to similar incidents. When asked by the high priest, if He
was the Christ, the Son of God, and knowing the consequences of His
answer, He did not attempt to evade the answer. Jesus said to him,
"You said it yourse ...[text shortened]... ou the King of the Jews?" And Jesus said to him, It is as
you say." (Matthew 27:11 NASB)