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    10 Oct '12 05:491 edit
    Originally posted by stellspalfie
    why would god decide a good signal to the end of days would be birds falling out of the sky. with gods power i would have gone for dogs loosing their barks, makes more sense doesnt it?
    Or

    "a friend shall lose his friend's hammer"
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    10 Oct '12 06:22
    Originally posted by menace71
    http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/03/what-made-thousands-of-birds-fall-from-the-sky/
    Rowe told Live Science that events like this have happened across the globe, and generally, weather is to blame.

    I ask again what makes you think that these events have increased in frequency and where did you get your data for this?
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    10 Oct '12 14:15
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    So when you said "a lot of this is documented too" you meant "it is prophesied in the Bible"? (just seeking clarification as I clearly misunderstood you).

    So back to my other question. Which of the phenomena that you list have increased in frequency and where did you get your data for this?
    News Channels and the like have eyewitnesses to collaborate that birds were falling out of the sky and made a mess. That's documentation of sorts granted it's hearsay but it could be verified. Earthquakes well they always get reported.



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    10 Oct '12 14:17
    I'll be honest I don't know if there has been an increase in these type of events but no matter birds falling out of the sky ? Birds normally fly in the sky LOL I'll see if I can find any info either way



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    10 Oct '12 16:11
    Originally posted by menace71
    I'll be honest I don't know if there has been an increase in these type of events but no matter birds falling out of the sky ? Birds normally fly in the sky LOL I'll see if I can find any info either way
    The article you pointed to clearly said that the birds event was not unique.
    So, it seems you have jumped from an unusual and weird event to the conclusion that it is somehow indicative of the 'last days' despite it not being mentioned in the prophesy that gave you the idea. You then mention a whole lot of other events which are mentioned in the prophesy, but since such events have always occurred throughout history (or there wouldn't even have been words for them in order to make prophesies with) then the prophesy must necessarily be talking about a significant increase, yet you do not know of any such increase.
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    11 Oct '12 00:40
    Originally posted by stellspalfie
    why would god decide a good signal to the end of days would be birds falling out of the sky. with gods power i would have gone for dogs loosing their barks, makes more sense doesnt it?
    It is good that you are not God. 😏
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    11 Oct '12 02:35
    Ok Matthew 24 The disciples ask Jesus what would be the sign of His return ?


    Matthew 24
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    Signs of Christ’s Return

    24 Jesus came out from the temple and was going away [a]when His disciples came up to point out the temple buildings to Him. 2 And He said to them, “Do you not see all these things? Truly I say to you, not one stone here will be left upon another, which will not be torn down.”

    3 As He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the [b]end of the age?”

    4 And Jesus answered and said to them, “See to it that no one misleads you. 5 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the [c]Christ,’ and will mislead many. 6 You will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not frightened, for those things must take place, but that is not yet the end. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes. 8 But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pangs.

    9 “Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name. 10 At that time many will [d]fall away and will [e]betray one another and hate one another. 11 Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many. 12 Because lawlessness is increased, [f]most people’s love will grow cold. 13 But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved. 14 This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole [g]world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.

    Perilous Times

    15 “Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), 16 then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains. 17 [h]Whoever is on the housetop must not go down to get the things out that are in his house. 18 [i]Whoever is in the field must not turn back to get his cloak. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath. 21 For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will. 22 Unless those days had been cut short, no [j]life would have been saved; but for the sake of the [k]elect those days will be cut short. 23 Then if anyone says to you, ‘Behold, here is the [l]Christ,’ or ‘[m]There He is,’ do not believe him. 24 For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will [n]show great [o]signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the [p]elect. 25 Behold, I have told you in advance. 26 So if they say to you, ‘Behold, He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out, or, ‘Behold, He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe them. 27 For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28 Wherever the corpse is, there the [q]vultures will gather.

    The Glorious Return

    29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from [r]the sky, and the powers of [s]the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His [t]elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

    Parable of the Fig Tree

    32 “Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near; 33 so, you too, when you see all these things, [u]recognize that [v]He is near, right at the [w]door. 34 Truly I say to you, this [x]generation will not pass away until all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.

    36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. 37 For [y]the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah. 38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and they did not [z]understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40 Then there will be two men in the field; one [aa]will be taken and one [ab]will be left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the [ac]mill; one [ad]will be taken and one [ae]will be left.

    Be Ready for His Coming

    42 “Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming. 43 But [af]be sure of this, that if the head of the house had known at what time of the night the thief was coming, he would have been on the alert and would not have allowed his house to be [ag]broken into. 44 For this reason you also must be ready; for the Son of Man is coming at an hour when you do not think He will.

    45 “Who then is the faithful and sensible slave whom his [ah]master put in charge of his household to give them their food at the proper time? 46 Blessed is that slave whom his [ai]master finds so doing when he comes. 47 Truly I say to you that he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48 But if that evil slave says in his heart, ‘My [aj]master [ak]is not coming for a long time,’ 49 and begins to beat his fellow slaves and eat and drink with drunkards; 50 the [al]master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour which he does not know, 51 and will [am]cut him in pieces and [an]assign him a place with the hypocrites; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    Manny
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    11 Oct '12 02:40
    VS 29 apparently the coming of Christ is not till after the Tribulation of those days




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    PS: I never did look into the bird phenomena and it's frequency so I will recant of that as proably not a sign of the end times
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    11 Oct '12 02:44
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raining_animals


    http://www.birdsfallfromsky.com/


    ok I totally recant of the birds thing at this point but it is bizarre


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    11 Oct '12 02:54
    It might be more common then first thought but it is still bizarre and there is no clear answer only speculation on why these bird events occur. I guess I would lean toward the weather having a large part to play in this but really who knows.


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    11 Oct '12 04:01
    Originally posted by menace71
    VS 29 apparently the coming of Christ is not till after the Tribulation of those days




    Manny


    PS: I never did look into the bird phenomena and it's frequency so I will recant of that as proably not a sign of the end times
    Absolutely.

    HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord! Holy! Holy! Holy!
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    11 Oct '12 05:31
    Originally posted by menace71
    ok I totally recant of the birds thing at this point but it is bizarre
    What about all the other things you mention in your OP? Do you have any reason to believe that any of them have increased in frequency? Or did you mention them because of the birds?
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    11 Oct '12 09:06
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    What about all the other things you mention in your OP? Do you have any reason to believe that any of them have increased in frequency? Or did you mention them because of the birds?
    Does the Holy Bible mention anything about an increase in frequency?
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    11 Oct '12 21:40
    Originally posted by stellspalfie
    why would god decide a good signal to the end of days would be birds falling out of the sky. with gods power i would have gone for dogs loosing their barks, makes more sense doesnt it?
    Surely any decent god (ie omnipotent with a sense of humour) would have dogs falling out of the sky and birds losing their barks?




    OMG

    Birds have lost their barks.
    Truly we are in the last days.
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    11 Oct '12 23:04
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    Surely any decent god (ie omnipotent with a sense of humour) would have dogs falling out of the sky and birds losing their barks?




    OMG

    Birds [b]have
    lost their barks.
    Truly we are in the last days.[/b]
    Jesus said nothing about birds or dogs falling from the sky. It was stars falling.


    “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
    (Matthew 24:29-31 NKJV)

    Before that he was asked the following questions:

    Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?

    And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of sorrows.

    “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. But he who endures to the end shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come."

    (Matthew 24:3-14 NKJV)
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