Originally posted by divegeester
Are you able to define "near" in your scenario of end times.

I've heard rumours of about 100 years.

Exciting times indeed.

Originally posted by Great King Rat
I've heard rumours of about 100 years.

Exciting times indeed.

I was waiting for you to chip in with that 😵

Originally posted by RJHinds
No one knows the day or hour, but we can determine when the time is growing near.

True. Jesus used the illustration of the fig tree to show we would know the season when things would be ripe.
It sure looks ripe out there now.

Originally posted by roigam
True. Jesus used the illustration of the fig tree to show we would know the season when things would be ripe.
It sure looks ripe out there now.

Didn't it also look ripe during world war 2, or indeed the battle of Hastings?

Originally posted by roigam
It sure looks ripe out there now.

I wouldn't let you near my fig farm. You clearly have great difficulty determining when the fruit is ripe.

What would you say lead you to think it looks ripe out there now? What 'signs' do you see?

Originally posted by twhitehead
I wouldn't let you near my fig farm. You clearly have great difficulty determining when the fruit is ripe.

What would you say lead you to think it looks ripe out there now? What 'signs' do you see?

To Ghost also:


Right now a certain government leader is gathering the leaders of at leaset 65 other governments together because they want "peace and security" and are willing to kill to get it.
We do not know if they will get what they want but, if they do, won't there possibly be a declaration of peace and security.

In harmony with this gathering process notice that the jihadists are gathering the Nations against themselves for the battle of Armageddon thinking they will win and rule the world.
In either case notice: (Revelation 16:14) They are, in fact, expressions inspired by demons and they perform signs, and they go out to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty.

Could the gathering going on lead to that?
We have never had this situation on Earth before!

We will see before 2000 years or even 100 years.

Originally posted by roigam

Right now a certain government leader is gathering the leaders of at leaset 65 other governments together because they want "peace and security" and are willing to kill to get it. We do not know if they will get what they want but, if they do, won't there possibly be a declaration of peace and security. In harmony with this gathering process notice that the jihadists are gathering the Nations against themselves for the battle of Armageddon thinking they will win and rule the world.

So on one hand, you say "Why would we want to get involved in any way with governments of this world? We are Christians and Jesus said his Kingdom is not of this world." And then on the other hand, just a few posts later, you seem to be casting yourself as an expert on world events and how they compare to political events around the world down through history. Which is it to be? I accept that you know your bible very well, but what credibility are you claiming you have as a political and historical analyst?

Originally posted by FMF
[b]Right now a certain government leader is gathering the leaders of at leaset 65 other governments together because they want "peace and security" and are willing to kill to get it. We do not know if they will get what they want but, if they do, won't there possibly be a declaration of peace and security. In harmony with this gathering process notice that the j ...[text shortened]... very well, but what credibility are you claiming you have as a political and historical analyst?

Sorry if that post gave the wrong impression.
I am no expert on worldly affairs but I do watch the news on occasion.
I have no doubt that most people would agree that we live in peculiar and perilous times that are different from any other times.
That is the sign Jesus referred to.

Originally posted by roigam
I have no doubt that most people would agree that we live in peculiar and perilous times that are different from any other times.

Why? By most significant measures ~ for the largest proportion of humanity ever ~ things are far better than they were in the past, and getting better. You getting upset watching telly and then going online and telling people you want the world to end as soon as possible ~ and throwing in an ad populum fallacy for good measure ~ does not alter the actual state of the world.

Originally posted by roigam
Sorry if that post gave the wrong impression.

So just to be clear:

You are NOT casting yourself as any kind of expert on world events and how they compare to political events around the world down through history, right?

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
Didn't it also look ripe during world war 2, or indeed the battle of Hastings?

There was no return of the state of Israel until after WW2. There is still no Jewish temple either.

Originally posted by RJHinds
There was no return of the state of Israel until after WW2. There is still no Jewish temple either.

And no AntiChrist. Yet.

Originally posted by roigam
We have never had this situation on Earth before!

Yes we most definitely have. Do some history courses before making sweeping declarations about the past.

We will see before 2000 years or even 100 years.
Yep, its always easiest to make sure your prophesies will occur after you die. That way nobody can question you.

Originally posted by roigam
I have no doubt that most people would agree that we live in peculiar and perilous times that are different from any other times.

It is time to start doubting it. Most people disagree - especially those that actually know something about it.

Seriously now, read an account of the plague (there are a number of accounts of events in different places at different times over the centuries). Imagine all your political leaders fleeing in terror. Then half the population dies in agony from a mysterious and dehumanizing disease. Those still living go around trying to lay the blame on someone and kill all members of a minority group (all 800,000 of them). There are so many bodies that there are not enough healthy living people to bury them, so they are lying in houses and in the streets.

Tell me again about 'perilous times' you spoilt first world brat who just sits in front of a TV cringing at the idea that some political leader has called for a peace conference.

Originally posted by roigam
I have no doubt that most people would agree that we live in peculiar and perilous times that are different from any other times.

Every time throughout history is peculiar to that time isn't it?
As for perilous - look at history. Wars, wars and pestilence.
We all live longer.
We enjoy life.
In fact THE EXACT OPPOSITE TO WHAT YOU PROPOSE