Originally posted by twhitehead
I would be interested to know how many Christians here believe that God restricts himself to following the laws of the universe he created or whether he regularly violates those laws. And if he violates the laws does he specifically ensure that such violations are impossible for humans to detect in a scientific way?
Important point. I expect responses from the Jesus gang that are highly sensitive to your question, or more precisely, what trick they think you are trying to pull. Many will probably argue that God can and did violate the laws of the universe, and that these violations may not always be detectable.
Now if you get into an argument about why there is unnecessary evil or why omnipotent, omniscient god can't reveal himself more clearly to us, you'll get all sorts of justifications for God's actions that are firmly based on the assumption that he must obey his own rules (i.e. "God in a Box"😉.
Their behavior reminds me of when as a child I would play games with my fellow classmates on the bus ride to school each morning. We'd take turns trying to best one another in battle by imagining that we had all sorts of fantastic weapons and defenses.
"I blast you with my laser gun."
"Well, you can't because I have anti-laser boots."
"Well, I have anti-anti-laser boot grenades. I throw one at you."
"Well, I have an anti-anti-anti-laser boot grenades shield, and it bounces the grenade back to you."
"Yeah, well I have a forcefield so I'm invincible."
(thank Zeus the bus ride actually had a termination point).
Anyway theology is a lot like that. When you're playing make believe there's no discipline on your ideas. I'm just sorry that I have this wasteful habit of arguing with them.