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Originally posted by galveston75Clearly you didn't understand the context within which that line was said.
"What doesn't harm others are not sin: Eating of shellfish, wearing of fabrics containing multiple types of fiber, homosexuality, etc. "
Who says? You? Have you been granted some special insight as to what does harm to humans both physically, mentally and spiritually that only God can see?
But speaking still of homosexuality, even if they are con ...[text shortened]... n or would this person just laugh at God and say I'm going to do as I please no matter what?
Try reading the post in it's entirety. In fact, try reading the post within the context of the entire discussion.
If you have read all that and still have those same questions, then it would seem that you don't understand what's being said. In that case try re-reading all of it.
BTW, I notice you don't spew the same venom about liars such as RC and you. Why is that?
i tell you the impression i get from church and the bible is jesus was a right hippy he was very liberal , let he who is without sin, etc, and the homophobia i see in this thread and i will call it that, not malice, but scared of anything gay doesnt seem in anyway in line with what he said, the story about the woman who washed his feet... if you knew who she was you wouldn't talk to her. i'm sure one of the disciples used to be a murderer too, n yeah duh the bible kinda says thats wrong too.
we are not born perfect, the bible is pretty clear on that one.
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Originally posted by e4christhe words of Jesus are contained in only four of the sixty six books of the Bible, it must be rather inconvenient to be reminded of the fact. If you want to be a Christan you need to leave off practicing those things that are contrary to Biblical standards. I cannot think of a single example where Christ condoned wrong doing, can you?
i tell you the impression i get from church and the bible is jesus was a right hippy he was very liberal , let he who is without sin, etc, and the homophobia i see in this thread and i will call it that, not malice, but scared of anything gay doesnt seem in anyway in line with what he said, the story about the woman who washed his feet... if you knew who she kinda says thats wrong too.
we are not born perfect, the bible is pretty clear on that one.
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i was surprised / naive at how short the new testament is compared to the bible. and as for the bible as a whole being the 'word of god' i still really don't buy that. there are quite a few points in the new testament where Jesus goes off to discuss things with elders, or goes and teaches. but what he said is not there, if there is a 'word of god' in christianity, then that was it. but its not written down in the bible, and it kinda says so.
going back to the pidgeon point too, and the eccentricities of stories like king nebuchadnezzar. I do not think the old testament can be called the word of god, nor a diffenitive rule book. its a scholary collection, lots of people must have written it, its funny in places.
what impresses me about christianity is Jesus acting like a lightning rod for mankind, we would be like the romans or the nazis if it were not for him but instead you have a society which has compassion as an ideological base, that is an amazing feet to pull off.
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Originally posted by e4chrisSo non-Christian societies do not have compassion at their core?
...we would be like the romans or the nazis if it were not for him [Jesus] but instead you have a society which has compassion as an ideological base, that is an amazing feet to pull off.
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In the various Hindu traditions, compassion is called daya, and, along
with charity and self-control, is one of the three central virtues.
In the Jewish tradition, God is the Compassionate and is invoked as
the Father of Compassion.
Compassion or karuna is at the transcendental and experiential heart
of the Buddha's teachings.
The Muslim scriptures urge compassion towards captives as well as to
widows, orphans and the poor. Zakat, a toll tax to help the poor and
needy, is obligatory upon all Muslims deemed wealthy enough to do so.
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Courtesy of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compassion
Originally posted by wolfgang59But is their compassion any more than mere words in those traditions?
So non-Christian societies do not have compassion at their core?
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In the various Hindu traditions, compassion is called daya, and, along
with charity and self-control, is one of the three central virtues.
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Courtesy of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compassion
Originally posted by e4chrisbefore christianity slavery was a norm
historically .... no .... history is full of societies where it would awful to be anywhere but the top, the ejyptians, romans, nazis, before christianity slavery was a norm, life was cheaper, and the hindu cast system is not compassionate and nothing to be admired.
Surely you recognize that during most of Christianity, slavery was the norm and that Christians were amongst some of the most vicious practitioners thereof.
Originally posted by e4chrisThere are very few things that Christians invented, but the fact remains that your attempt at listing bad things about non-Christians backfired because you failed to show that they were worse than Christians. Its interesting too that you listed the Nazis who were mostly Christians.
oh yes, but certainly they didn't invent it. when you look at what the romans did slavery is quite tame.
Originally posted by twhiteheadHitler and the Nazi party deceived the Christians at first, but many became aware of this deception and turned against Hitler and Nazism, including the Jehovah's Witnesses, who saw Hitler as good in the beginning.
There are very few things that Christians invented, but the fact remains that your attempt at listing bad things about non-Christians backfired because you failed to show that they were worse than Christians. Its interesting too that you listed the Nazis who were mostly Christians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany
Originally posted by e4chrisWho knows who "invented" slavery (if that concept even makes sense)
oh yes, but certainly they didn't invent it. when you look at what the romans did slavery is quite tame.
certainly in pre-history it was the norm and prevalent up until the
19th Century.
Why you keep citing the Romans I don't know - it's difficult to generalise
about them due to the duration of their power - but although slavery was
common, ill-treatment of slaves was frowned upon. Perhaps they would
be horrified to have witnessed the conditions Africans were transported
to America in (by Christians).
check out the film Amazing Grace for some powerful images!
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Originally posted by RJHindsNevertheless, the Nazis were mostly Christians themselves, whether or not they deceived other Christians is besides the point (though the fact that Christians love to deceive each other and are easily deceived by one another is another point not in their favour.)
Hitler and the Nazi party deceived the Christians at first, but many became aware of this deception and turned against Hitler and Nazism, including the Jehovah's Witnesses, who saw Hitler as good in the beginning.
Queue 'no true Christian' argument:
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-Removed-It was that same LORD who made very explicit statements about homosexuality.
Give the guy a break. Try giving him the whole truth instead of trying to bully him with your intentional half-truth homophobic rhetoric.
You very well know that it's also the same "LORD" who made very explicit statements condoning a very brutal version of slavery and condemning the eating of shellfish, the wearing of fabrics made of multiple fibers, etc.
By the way, I'm still waiting for you to "use [my] explanation to show why [my]logic in this is flawed" as promised. Given your lame attempts thus far, hard to imagine that this'll ever happen.