Lewes bonfire, and gays in the church

Originally posted by stellspalfie
so your problem is irrational behavior?!?!?! do you extend this to all irrational behavior or just homosexuality?

no its not a problem, its simply a statement of self evident fact. As we were discussing homosexuality, as per the thread title, it seems pertinent. This thread is not about me.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I am not condemning anything, i am merely pointing out that homosexuality is physiologically unnatural and therefore irrational.

Non-sequitur.

Even if I were to grant (I don't) that "homosexuality is physiologically unnatural"...

It does not follow that it is thus irrational.

It is rational to seek pleasure.
Some/many people find activities such as anal sex to be pleasurable.
They may very well therefore engage in such activities perfectly rationally regardless of whether
they are "natural" or not.


There are many activities that could be considered "physiologically unnatural" as you put it.

Going into space (pulling high g's and then living in zero g) is highly "physiologically unnatural" by your
criteria and yet that does not make sending people into space irrational.

there are risks and benefits and costs and gains that have to be weighed.

natural vs unnatural is not a relevant distinction however.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
no its not a problem, its simply a statement of self evident fact. As we were discussing homosexuality, as per the thread title, it seems pertinent. This thread is not about me.

right so irrational behavior is not a problem, so therefore you have no problem with homosexuality. glad we got that sorted. i apologize for calling you a homophobe. i didnt realize you disagreed with your god.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
right so irrational behavior is not a problem, so therefore you have no problem with homosexuality. glad we got that sorted. i apologize for calling you a homophobe. i didnt realize you disagreed with your god.

No, that is not what I am saying, if people want to put their willies where nature has designated that they should not be, that is their affair, merely pointing it out does not make me homophobic and yes, you should apologise. Clearly homosexuality is a problem, we now have the highest ever registered figures for AIDS sufferers among homosexual men in the UK, let me repeat that, the highest ever. Perhaps if they had not put their willies in places where they were never intended to be they could have avoided the heartbreak.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
No, that is not what I am saying, if people want to put their willies where nature has designated that they should not be, that is their affair, merely pointing it out does not make me homophobic and yes, you should apologise. Clearly homosexuality is a problem, we now have the highest ever registered figures for AIDS sufferers among homosexual men in the UK, let me repeat that, the highest ever.

No, that is not what I am saying, if people want to put their willies where nature has designated that they should not be, that is their affair, merely pointing it out does not make me homophobic

oh i see, you are making no positive or negative comments about homosexuality. you are simply pointing out that it is unnatural........except thats the reason you say why god calls it a sinful. its sinful because its unnatural.

so ill ask you again. do you think all unnatural things man does are sinful?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
No, that is not what I am saying, if people want to put their willies where nature has designated that they should not be, that is their affair, merely pointing it out does not make me homophobic and yes, you should apologise. Clearly homosexuality is a problem, we now have the highest ever registered figures for AIDS sufferers among homosexual men i ...[text shortened]... r willies in places where they were never intended to be they could have avoided the heartbreak.

"r AIDS sufferers among homosexual men in the UK, let me repeat that, the highest ever. Perhaps if they had not put their willies in places where they were never intended to be they could have avoided the heartbreak"

scotland has the highest rates of lung cancer its ever had. is it a sin to smoke?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
[b]No, that is not what I am saying, if people want to put their willies where nature has designated that they should not be, that is their affair, merely pointing it out does not make me homophobic

oh i see, you are making no positive or negative comments about homosexuality. you are simply pointing out that it is unnatural........except thats t ...[text shortened]... e its unnatural.

so ill ask you again. do you think all unnatural things man does are sinful?[/b]

you must try to differentiate between what I am saying and me as an individual, its termed, demonstrating objectiveness. Yes what I have stated is factual. God states that it is sinful because it entails a misuse of the sexual organs. Paul terms it obscene and disgraceful as well as unnatural. I am not attempting to promulgate what i think, i am merely pointing out certain objective truths and I would be pleased if you remembered that and left me out of it. So back to the script, is homosexuality a problem or is it not? If not, how will you explain the highest ever registered sufferers of aids , in the UK, among homosexual men, thanks in advance.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
[b]"r AIDS sufferers among homosexual men in the UK, let me repeat that, the highest ever. Perhaps if they had not put their willies in places where they were never intended to be they could have avoided the heartbreak"

scotland has the highest rates of lung cancer its ever had. is it a sin to smoke?[/b]

yes it is in fact, it is sinful to smoke, I am glad you mentioned it. The Bible condemns it in principle wholeheartedly.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
you must try to differentiate between what I am saying and me as an individual, its termed, demonstrating objectiveness. Yes what I have stated is factual. God states that it is sinful because it entails a misuse of the sexual organs. Paul terms it obscene and disgraceful as well as unnatural. I am not attempting to promulgate what i think, i am ...[text shortened]... highest ever registered sufferers of aids , in the UK, among homosexual men, thanks in advance.

do you believe the same thing as your bible regarding homosexuality?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
do you believe the same thing as your bible regarding homosexuality?

what I believe is of little concern to you, you just suck up the Bibles good and healthful words!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
you must try to differentiate between what I am saying and me as an individual, its termed, demonstrating objectiveness. Yes what I have stated is factual. God states that it is sinful because it entails a misuse of the sexual organs. Paul terms it obscene and disgraceful as well as unnatural. I am not attempting to promulgate what i think, i am ...[text shortened]... highest ever registered sufferers of aids , in the UK, among homosexual men, thanks in advance.

homosexuality is not a problem.

many aids sufferers are hetrosexual. does this make hetrosexuality a problem in your eyes?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
homosexuality is not a problem.

many aids sufferers are hetrosexual. does this make hetrosexuality a problem in your eyes?

If its not a problem then why is AIDS at its highest ever level among homosexuals? hmmm, is it not problem for those who suffer it? People who engage in promiscuity are also likely to suffer, but it does not detract from the fact that homosexuality is also problem

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
what I believe is of little concern to you, you just suck up the Bibles good and healthful words!

so you are not willing to say you believe what your god believes. how strange.

Originally posted by vistesd
The Hebrew the sin of the Sodomites in Genesis 19 is [b]not homosexuality or homosexual behavior.

The misconstrual comes from either ignoring the distinction of the Hebrew terms (whether through bias or not), or relying on translations that (however good they may be otherwise) use terms that, in English, do not show the distinction. The word o ng that a man should face death rather than permit his wife or daughters to be so abused.[/b]

—“The basic meaning of 'enôsh is "man" in the sense of "mankind." The word can refer to an individual only in the most general sense (e.g. "blessed is the man who does this Isa 56:2) and thus lacks the specificity of 'îsh.” [From the Hebrew Lexicon in Hermeneutica BibleWorks.]

Enosh is the name of an individual man in Genesis 5:9-11.

"And Enosh lived ninety years and begot Kenan. And Enosh lived after he had begotten Kenan eight hundred fifteen years, and he begot more sons and daughters.

And all the days of Enosh were nine hundred five years, and he died."

The word means something like "frail mortal man." But you can see that this did not forbid it from being a personal name of an individual.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
If its not a problem then why is AIDS at its highest ever level among homosexuals? hmmm, is it not problem for those who suffer it?

if std's are at an all time high for british hetrosexuals is there a problem with hetrosexuality?

you seem to think homosexuality, anal sex and sexual health are one and the same thing. they are three separate issues.

aids in africa effects a bigger percentage of hetrosexuals than it does homosexuals in britain. does this mean hetrosexuality is a problem?