Originally posted by robbie carrobie where is the reference that the 144,000 are natural Jews, id like to see that, if you please, and be snappy about it, i haven't got all day to cure you of your delusions, so make with the readies !🙂
Snappy .. 🙂 We did snappy already.
The children of Jacob, all the 12 tribes were called by name.
If they had just said children of Israel, then you could have speculated using Pauls definition of a Jew is one who is one inwardly and concluded that the 144,000 could be anyone. Not in the this case. They are all natural born Jews.
Originally posted by robbie carrobie where is the reference that the 144,000 are natural Jews, id like to see that, if you please, and be snappy about it, i haven't got all day to cure you of your delusions, so make with the readies !🙂
Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.
8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.
Originally posted by galveston75 Read over the enter thread. It's all there. If you seriously want to learn that would be great but I'm not sure that's your motive...
I've read over the thread a couple of times. It takes some twists and turns.
I am open to hear your belief and to examine the Scriptures like the Bereans who were more noble, to see if these things were so.
But you have to expect that I could possibly point out the reasons to what extent I agree and to what extent I might not.
If you don't want to be grilled perhaps you better not discuss it with me.
Originally posted by Rajk999 Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twel ...[text shortened]... ibe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.
there is no tribe of Joseph or Benjamin you muppet head! conclusion, Spiritual Israel, guaranteed! plus, and this is the most important point, the tribe of Levi is here counted whereas originally it was not, for it was not given any land inheritance, why oh why must an artist like me create in such an environment! Spiritual Israel guaranteed, big time! read it an weep Raj dude, read it and weep !
Originally posted by robbie carrobie there is no tribe of Joseph or Benjamin you muppet head! conclusion, Spiritual Israel, guaranteed! plus, and this is the most important point, the tribe of Levi is here counted whereas originally it was not, for it was not given any land inheritance, why oh why must an artist like me create in such an environment! Spiritual Israel guaranteed, big time! read it an weep Raj dude, read it and weep !
Ok ... Im gonna join the JWs asap.
I hope there are only 143,999 so far, and there is space for one more
Where do I sign up .... 🙂
Im a male.
Im a virgin since last week.
I qualify ... right ?
Originally posted by Rajk999 Ok ... Im gonna join the JWs asap.
I hope there are only 143,999 so far, and there is space for one more
Where do I sign up .... 🙂
Im a male.
Im a virgin since last week.
I qualify ... right ?
Originally posted by Rajk999 Im not into groups or their tenets.
Im into what Christ taught
Are you suggesting that I should also believe that the JWs are the 144,000 Jews ?
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Im not into groups or their tenets.
Im into what Christ taught
Are you suggesting that I should also believe that the JWs are the 144,000 Jews ?
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Not at all!
I am pointing out that in the past you have sure shown yourself to embrace JW's cherished heresy of denying that Jesus is Jehovah God.
They're repulsed by the teaching of a Trinity. You too. They don't believe that the Word was the same God that He was with. I think you share this polytheistic view of two gods in John 1:1.
They also reject eternal perdition. You do too. You're like them in these ways.
Little Flock?
19 Jun '09 17:54
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