Logic

In any debate:

1. We can both be wrong.

2. One of us is wrong.

3. We can't both be right.


Does anyone see any other option(s)?

Originally posted by josephw
In any debate:

1. We can both be wrong.

2. One of us is wrong.

3. We can't both be right.


Does anyone see any other option(s)?

4. We can both be right, if right/wrong, good/evil, etc. are relative.

Originally posted by josephw
In any debate:

1. We can both be wrong.

2. One of us is wrong.

3. We can't both be right.


Does anyone see any other option(s)?

Or we can more more about each other than for either of us to insist on being right (especially when honest opinions differ and no incontrovertible proof can be offered.)

Originally posted by josephw
In any debate:

1. We can both be wrong.

2. One of us is wrong.

3. We can't both be right.


Does anyone see any other option(s)?

(3) only holds if the debate concerns propositions that are mutually incompatible. Perhaps you intended 'debate' to refer to only cases of this sort, but often what appear to be debates are not of this sort. Often people equivocate upon or poorly understand crucial terms in their discussions, and when clarity is achieved the putative debate is dispelled.

Originally posted by josephw
In any debate:

1. We can both be wrong.

2. One of us is wrong.

3. We can't both be right.


Does anyone see any other option(s)?

It can't be wrong if it feels so right? LOL.

Originally posted by bbarr
(3) only holds if the debate concerns propositions that are mutually incompatible. Perhaps you intended 'debate' to refer to only cases of this sort, but often what appear to be debates are not of this sort. Often people equivocate upon or poorly understand crucial terms in their discussions, and when clarity is achieved the putative debate is dispelled.

Then, when there are mutually incompatible propositions, one is right or one is wrong, or both can be wrong, but both can't be right.

Then this logic supports the case for absolutes.

Originally posted by whodey
It can't be wrong if it feels so right? LOL.

I've been there. With disastrous results. One can never trust ones feelings. 😉

Originally posted by josephw
In any debate:

1. We can both be wrong.

2. One of us is wrong.

3. We can't both be right.


Does anyone see any other option(s)?

Even 'wrong' things can be true. (The 'wrong' thing may play a part in anothers' situation,and help them out-all points of view can only be seen by god)

Originally posted by karoly aczel
Even 'wrong' things can be true. (The 'wrong' thing may play a part in anothers' situation,and help them out-all points of view can only be seen by god)

I think the options may be better expressed as:

In any debate:

1. Both opinions can be incorrect.

2. One opinion can be incorrect.

3. It can never be the case that two conflicting opinions can be correct.

where incorrect==wrong==false
and correct==right==true

but that probably still doesn't unambiguously describe the options!

--- Penguin.

Originally posted by karoly aczel
Even 'wrong' things can be true. (The 'wrong' thing may play a part in anothers' situation,and help them out-all points of view can only be seen by god)

What god?

Originally posted by josephw
What god?

The feminine-passive-sound-light vibration that permeates our lives and gives us strength...SSSHhhh. (There is no god-everyone has already repeatedly established that!)

Originally posted by josephw
Then, when there are mutually incompatible propositions, one is right or one is wrong, or both can be wrong, but both can't be right.

Then this logic supports the case for absolutes.

Yep - too bad actual human life and real world problems can't be reduced to logical propositions because of incomplete or disputable information. Logic always works in a situation where you possess perfect knowledge. Outside of the chessboard I don't know of many situations like that.

Originally posted by josephw
In any debate:

1. We can both be wrong.

2. One of us is wrong.

3. We can't both be right.


Does anyone see any other option(s)?

4. One of us (you) can be a poopy head and hence wrong QED.

Originally posted by karoly aczel
The feminine-passive-sound-light vibration that permeates our lives and gives us strength...SSSHhhh. (There is no god-everyone has already repeatedly established that!)

I sure like the sound of 'feminine-passive-sound-light vibration', but what is it?

Originally posted by TerrierJack
Yep - too bad actual human life and real world problems can't be reduced to logical propositions because of incomplete or disputable information. Logic always works in a situation where you possess perfect knowledge. Outside of the chessboard I don't know of many situations like that.

"Logic always works in a situation where you possess perfect knowledge."

Care to describe a situation where one possesses perfect knowledge?