Originally posted by KellyJayYes it does follow, if he is truly rehabilitated, why shouldn't he be allowed to vote? A kid gets in trouble, robs a bank at the age of 16, goes to jail, convicted of a felony, ten years later he is a respected member of the town and is elected mayor. Why should that person have to serve a life sentence on voting? Still sounds like discrimination to me. Blacks are the majority in jail so it smells to me like a ploy to limit black voting to me. The whites who get caught in the system could just be collateral damage.
I hope he is rehabilitated, that does not follow that he should then be given
back his right to vote.
What else COULD it be? Either you are rehabilitated or you are not.
Taking away the right to vote is a tacit admission nobody gets rehabilitated.
Originally posted by sonhouseIt is the punishment for the specific crimes, being sorry for the crime does
Yes it does follow, if he is truly rehabilitated, why shouldn't he be allowed to vote? A kid gets in trouble, robs a bank at the age of 16, goes to jail, convicted of a felony, ten years later he is a respected member of the town and is elected mayor. Why should that person have to serve a life sentence on voting? Still sounds like discrimination to me. Bla ...[text shortened]... or you are not.
Taking away the right to vote is a tacit admission nobody gets rehabilitated.
not mean you escape the punishments for it. Now if we want to make less
violations of laws felonies that is fine we control that. What we should never
do is say this is the punishment, but no not really!
Violates the law and those willing to do those crimes they need to be fully
aware of being sorry is not a reason to get out of jail or avoid any other
part of the punishment the crime calls for.
Sorry is no excuse to avoid the full amount of punishment that follows those
actions. Never wanting to do the crime again is a goal of punishment yes,
but it isn't the only part of the punishment! Once we BELIEVE someone is
really sorry that they now get to avoid the rest of the of the punishment
we have left the rule of law and have entered into I like this person as is
right now and think they will not do it again, that will never be fair!
I fail to see what discrimination has to do with this! Only those convicted of
crimes are in the boat, be they white, black, or whatever! To introduce that
into this discussion is the completely change the topic all together!
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Originally posted by sonhouseI don't care if he is rehabilitated with respect to law, let me be clear on
Yes it does follow, if he is truly rehabilitated, why shouldn't he be allowed to vote? A kid gets in trouble, robs a bank at the age of 16, goes to jail, convicted of a felony, ten years later he is a respected member of the town and is elected mayor. Why should that person have to serve a life sentence on voting? Still sounds like discrimination to me. Bla ...[text shortened]... or you are not.
Taking away the right to vote is a tacit admission nobody gets rehabilitated.
that! I hope he is and if he is not once out he or she will do something
again that puts them back into jail or worse. I don't care if he is young and
robs a bank or old and does it, the fact that robbing a bank could put lives
at risk is enough to keep them where they have lost rights all of those who
have never done such things are!
Being black does not put you in jail, and if it does, that is a different topic
I'm only talking about those that do the crimes! I hope everyone who comes
out of jail is a respected member of the town they live in! If you want to
change the law, change it, but you don't let people off the hook by saying
the law as it does not apply to you, we like you!
Originally posted by KellyJaySpeaking as a Brit, do you think it was ok for the founders of your nation to break the law and achieve independence?
I don't care if he is rehabilitated with respect to law, let me be clear on
that! I hope he is and if he is not once out he or she will do something
again that puts them back into jail or worse. I don't care if he is young and
robs a bank or old and does it, the fact that robbing a bank could put lives
at risk is enough to keep them where they have lost ...[text shortened]... t you don't let people off the hook by saying
the law as it does not apply to you, we like you!
Originally posted by OdBodIt was doing just that, breaking the law!
Speaking as a Brit, do you think it was ok for the founders of your nation to break the law and achieve independence?
I can only imagine that was a difficult thing, if I'd been in those times I
think I would have been very conflicted with what was going on!
If you do something like that you are doing it with your eyes wide open,
and must be willing to pay the price. Those that fought for and won their
independence did so at great cost to themselves. They risked it all, and had
they lost, they should have been and I can only imagine were ready to pay
for those actions with their lives. Even winning that struggle cost some all
they had, and if they were willing to pay for it, so be it.
Which is why I have no regrets saying that if someone breaks a law and
they now have to pay the price for it, than they should pay it in full.
Originally posted by OdBodThey may have broken the law of the King of England, but they followed the "law of liberty" of the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
Speaking as a Brit, do you think it was ok for the founders of your nation to break the law and achieve independence?
HalleluYah ! Praise the LORD! Holy! Holy! Holy!
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Originally posted by KellyJayThe 'right to vote' should be treated as a right of all adult citizens (and in my opinion, all residents). It should not be something that can be withdrawn as punishment.
It's the law, simply serving his/her term is only part of the punishment for
that crime, losing the ability to vote is another.
I knew that in the US prisoners couldn't vote, but I hadn't realized until this thread that some states remove the right for life from anyone convicted of a felony.
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Originally posted by twhiteheadOh, yeah. And then they redefine "felony" to, in effect, "being an uppity n****r".
The 'right to vote' should be treated as a right of all adult citizens (and in my opinion, all residents). It should not be something that can be withdrawn as punishment.
I knew that in the US prisoners couldn't vote, but I hadn't realized until this thread that some states remove the right for life from anyone convicted of a felony.
You thought the South was defeated? Think again.
Originally posted by Shallow BlueWhat does race have to do with any of the things I have said, and can you
Oh, yeah. And then they redefine "felony" to, in effect, "being an uppity n****r".
You thought the South was defeated? Think again.
point me to those that put that law into place and show me how you drew
that conclusion? You just said a hell of a racist thing!
Originally posted by KellyJayWell said, indeed.
It was doing just that, breaking the law!
I can only imagine that was a difficult thing, if I'd been in those times I
think I would have been very conflicted with what was going on!
If you do something like that you are doing it with your eyes wide open,
and must be willing to pay the price. Those that fought for and won their
independence did so a ...[text shortened]... omeone breaks a law and
they now have to pay the price for it, than they should pay it in full.
Originally posted by KellyJayThat was a hell of a clue for me. I had no idea what that n****r meant until you said it was a racist thing. Now I know. 😏
What does race have to do with any of the things I have said, and can you
point me to those that put that law into place and show me how you drew
that conclusion? You just said a hell of a racist thing!
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Originally posted by KellyJayNo, I pointed out one hell of a racist thing: the USA's justice system is still deeply prejudiced against other races than "bedsheet". And no, it's not one specific man writing one speciifc law which made it so, it's endemic. Just look at the statistics if you don't believe me: black people are massively over-represented in prison, and therefore massively disenfranchised.
What does race have to do with any of the things I have said, and can you
point me to those that put that law into place and show me how you drew
that conclusion? You just said a hell of a racist thing!