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28 Jun 15
Originally posted by RBHILLAlas, i believe it will be argued that not all our names will be registered there.
rejoice because your names are registered in heaven.”
The parallel is often made with a king taking the census of his people, as distinguished from aliens and foreigners.
Originally posted by RBHILLThe delusion of believing that everything Christ said applies to you:
rejoice because your names are registered in heaven.”
And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven. (Luke 10:17-20 KJV)
Teacher : Now class ... Whose names are written in heaven?
RBHill : Mine
Teacher : Wrong RBHILL. Write 100 times..."The names of the 70 disciples are written in heaven .. NOT MINE"
28 Jun 15
Originally posted by Rajk999Don't fall under your own stated delusion.
The delusion of believing that everything Christ said applies to you:
[i]And [b]the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the ene ...[text shortened]... ILL. Write 100 times..."The names of the 70 disciples are written in heaven .. NOT MINE"[/b]
28 Jun 15
Originally posted by Rajk999How can you say what was said by Christ that was specifically for you, it for me or for anyone for that matter? Furthermore, what about the rest of the NT epistles and even the entire Bible?
RBHill said that Christ saying something specifically to 70 disciples also applies to him [apparently]. Give me an example me doing the same thing.
Your argument that specific scriptures are meant or not meant for specific groups of people is a nonsense; an error in fact.
28 Jun 15
Originally posted by divegeesterIts simple. Read the context or surrounding passage. In the case given in the opening post Christ is speaking to 70 disciples. Do you deny that?
How can you say what was said by Christ that was specifically for you, it for me or for anyone for that matter? Furthermore, what about the rest of the NT epistles and even the entire Bible?
Your argument that specific scriptures are meant or not meant for specific groups of people is a nonsense; an error in fact.
There are cases where Christ speaks generally eg in the sermon on the mount... these are general guidelines for all people. In some cases he speak directly to a certain group eg Mat 23 he speaks to the Scribes & Pharisees.
Quite often the context makes it easy to figure out.
28 Jun 15
Originally posted by Rajk999So when christ speaks to the disciples it only meant for them?
Its simple. Read the context or surrounding passage. In the case given in the opening post Christ is speaking to 70 disciples. Do you deny that?
There are cases where Christ speaks generally eg in the sermon on the mount... these are general guidelines for all people. In some cases he speak directly to a certain group eg Mat 23 he speaks to the Scribes & Pharisees.
Quite often the context makes it easy to figure out.
28 Jun 15
Originally posted by divegeesterDepends on the context. Maybe if you provide a particular case I can answer. In the case given in the opening post Christ statement about names written in heaven applied to the 70 disciples. Thats my opinion. Of course you are entitled to yours.
So when christ speaks to the disciples it only meant for them?
28 Jun 15
Originally posted by Rajk999I am entitled yes, and I think you are using this protocol as a method of filtration to support your dogma.
Depends on the context. Maybe if you provide a particular case I can answer. In the case given in the opening post Christ statement about names written in heaven applied to the 70 disciples. Thats my opinion. Of course you are entitled to yours.
28 Jun 15
Originally posted by divegeesterDogma? I agree with everything Christ said [that is applicable to me], that was not specifically meant for others. I apply it to me no matter the consequences. That does not mean that I do it all the time but I do not explain it away or water it down like some do here.
I am entitled yes, and I think you are using this protocol as a method of filtration to support your dogma.
29 Jun 15
Originally posted by Rajk999Still those 70 were O.S.A.S.!
The delusion of believing that everything Christ said applies to you:
[i]And [b]the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the ene ...[text shortened]... ILL. Write 100 times..."The names of the 70 disciples are written in heaven .. NOT MINE"[/b]
Originally posted by RBHILLActually, NO!! Those 70 were promised a guaranteed place in the Kingdom of God. Many others received such a guarantee in the time of Christ.
Still those 70 were O.S.A.S.!
There is no such thing as once saved always saved in the Bible pal. OSAS is a man-made expression designed to draw the gullible to give money to the churches. If any of those 70 had committed a sin that is unforgivable then they would not have a place in Gods Kingdom.
Judas is such an example. No such thing as once saved always saved. Its an unbiblical and a childish concept designed to fool stupid people.