1. Standard memberDasa
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    06 Nov '10 07:29
    Atheist/madness continued....

    Because an atheist is in illusion for the lack of engaging in the spiritual life, they think that the purpose of life, is to squeeze as much enjoyment from this body and world as they possibly can.

    Always sworn to unclean works, they become greedy and envious, and in their attempt to enjoy the material world, they acquire all bad habits and blemish their character.

    In trying to forefill all their materialistic desires, they say that there is no other purpose to life, and in their struggle to Lord it over the world, they reject the spiritual life of high thinking and simple living, in favour of living a dishonest life of illusion for sense enjoyment.

    This living without knowing the true purpose of their life, creates guilt, and to erradicate the guilt many take to intoxication, drugs, or false religion.

    Many become depressed and sick, which increases their suffering, and when it gets too much, some commit suicide. (everyone knows a few people who have done it)

    There are those that take to false religion, in a hope to alleviate there troubles, but false religion only causes more problems of a different kind, because their teachings incorrectly teach them, that they only have one life, and the choice is heaven or hell.....and with this great burden to carry, many leave the church, and become bitter.

    All their problems in life can be erradicated by sincerely engaging in the bonafide spiritual life, and raising their consciousnees to the transcendental platform, which transcends the suffering of this world, and they can have the opportunity to return back home to Godhead.
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    06 Nov '10 10:10
    Originally posted by vishvahetu
    Atheist/madness continued....

    Because an atheist is in illusion for the lack of engaging in the spiritual life, they think that the purpose of life, is to squeeze as much enjoyment from this body and world as they possibly can.

    Always sworn to unclean works, they become greedy and envious, and in their attempt to enjoy the material world, they acqu ...[text shortened]... s the suffering of this world, and they can have the opportunity to return back home to Godhead.
    You really are from Brisbane aren't you ...
    This fantasy world of 'atheists' that you believe exist out here in the real world, is actually only inside your head. Real people don't actually think this way, atheist or otherwise.
  3. Standard memberDasa
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    06 Nov '10 14:56
    Originally posted by amannion
    You really are from Brisbane aren't you ...
    This fantasy world of 'atheists' that you believe exist out here in the real world, is actually only inside your head. Real people don't actually think this way, atheist or otherwise.
    Do you live in a bubble?....are you not apart of this world and see the violence, greed, addiction, depression, sickneess,corruption, war, ignorance and suffering?

    All these things are products of atheistic society and false religion, and long ago in Vedic society these things did not dominate.

    Are you clearer on the matter now?...or are you still voluntarily blind like all the other persons in this forum?
  4. Standard memberKellyJay
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    06 Nov '10 15:22
    Originally posted by vishvahetu
    Do you live in a bubble?....are you not apart of this world and see the violence, greed, addiction, depression, sickneess,corruption, war, ignorance and suffering?

    All these things are products of atheistic society and false religion, and long ago in Vedic society these things did not dominate.

    Are you clearer on the matter now?...or are you still voluntarily blind like all the other persons in this forum?
    All of those things are due to human nature. I do not agree with atheist, but just
    because someone is an atheist does not mean they are add to those things you
    brought up.
    Kelly
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    06 Nov '10 15:30
    Originally posted by vishvahetu
    ...and long ago in Vedic society these things did not dominate...
    Your evidence for this speculation?
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    06 Nov '10 15:43
    Originally posted by avalanchethecat
    Your evidence for this speculation?
    Evidence?.........

    The 'All Knowing Sage', or as i like to think of him, 'The Bigoted Sexist Doorknob', needs nothing as flimsy evidence to back up his views.

    If he says it's true, it's true.
  7. Standard memberDasa
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    06 Nov '10 15:551 edit
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    All of those things are due to human nature. I do not agree with atheist, but just
    because someone is an atheist does not mean they are add to those things you
    brought up.
    Kelly
    I cant force you to see....but honest persons can see clearly what i have presented, and to not see is a choice that you are making.

    Why do you make that choice not to see?

    The items i have mentioned are directly caused by atheism and false religion, and in a Vedic society they would almost non exist.
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    06 Nov '10 16:041 edit
    Originally posted by vishvahetu
    I cant force you to see....but honest persons can see clearly what i have presented, and to not see is a choice that you are making.

    Why do you make that choice not to see?
    I think the word you wanted here was 'gullible'.
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    06 Nov '10 16:11
    Originally posted by vishvahetu
    Atheist/madness continued....

    Because an atheist is in illusion for the lack of engaging in the spiritual life, they think that the purpose of life, is to squeeze as much enjoyment from this body and world as they possibly can.

    Always sworn to unclean works, they become greedy and envious, and in their attempt to enjoy the material world, they acqu ...[text shortened]... s the suffering of this world, and they can have the opportunity to return back home to Godhead.
    k...I'm sold! I now renounce my hateful atheism and choose to follow the teachings of Vedanta precisely as you have delivered them thus far.


    Congratulations Vishvahetu, you have gained a new convert. Your work here on these forums is done.
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    06 Nov '10 16:14
    Originally posted by Agerg
    k...I'm sold! I now renounce my hateful atheism and choose to follow the teachings of Vedanta precisely as you have delivered them thus far.


    Congratulations Vishvahetu, you have gained a new convert. Your work here on these forums is done.
    Oooh, good plan. I also hereby convert. You dishonest atheistic idiots etc etc.
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    06 Nov '10 18:34
    Originally posted by vishvahetu
    I cant force you to see....but honest persons can see clearly what i have presented, and to not see is a choice that you are making.

    Why do you make that choice not to see?

    The items i have mentioned are directly caused by atheism and false religion, and in a Vedic society they would almost non exist.
    I guess only people who agree with you are honest in your opinion. I have
    told you those things belong to human nature, you see it everywhere not just
    with those you disagree with. I would point out to you even just using your
    words, that in the Vedic society "almost non exist" is still existent. So by your
    own words even within your narrow view of the world those things are just
    part of human society.
    Kelly
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    06 Nov '10 19:251 edit
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    I guess only people who agree with you are honest in your opinion. I have
    told you those things belong to human nature, you see it everywhere not just
    with those you disagree with. I would point out to you even just using your
    words, that in the Vedic society "almost non exist" is still existent. So by your
    own words even within your narrow view of the world those things are just
    part of human society.
    Kelly
    In the most perfect of societies, there will be some one who steals or engages in illicit sex, but in Vedic culture there would be no butcher shops, no pubs or clubs,(no alcohol production) no sex shops or pornography, no gambling venues, no organized crime and corruption in our public service, no litrature teaching evolution and atheistic nonsense etc.

    Just because you follow false religion and partake in some of these activities yourself, you have responded to critisize my comment, which makes you dishonest.

    If you are a man of the spiritual life you would support all my comments.
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    06 Nov '10 19:29
    Originally posted by vishvahetu
    In the most perfect of societies, there will be some one who steals or engages in illicit sex, but in Vedic culture there would be no butcher shops, no pubs or clubs,(no alcohol production) no, sex shops or pornography, no gambling venues, no organized crime and corruption in our public service, no litrature teaching evolution and atheistic nonsense etc. ...[text shortened]... akes you dishonest.

    If you are a man of the spiritual life you would support all my comments.
    God gave us alcohol to enjoy and relax with responsibility. You denying any aspect of this gift is denying god's will. I agree that alcoholism can be quite a problem, but there is definitely NOTHING wrong with having a glass of wine at dinner with your chums.
  14. Standard memberDasa
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    06 Nov '10 19:37
    Originally posted by ua41
    God gave us alcohol to enjoy and relax with responsibility. You denying any aspect of this gift is denying god's will. I agree that alcoholism can be quite a problem, but there is definitely NOTHING wrong with having a glass of wine at dinner with your chums.
    Persons on the spiritual path who are serious about the process of spiritual advancement do not partake in alcohol.

    The Vedic society would not allow companies to produce it, but a person would be allowed to grow their own grapes on their property and produce their own wine. (there would be no punishment for this.)
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    06 Nov '10 19:38
    Originally posted by vishvahetu
    Persons on the spiritual path who are serious about the process of spiritual advancement do not partake in alcohol.

    The Vedic society would not allow companies to produce it, but a person would be allowed to grow their own grapes on their property and produce their own wine. (there would be no punishment for this.)
    Oh, right, nevermind.

    You know the absolute truth, you're right.

    End of conversation.
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