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It scares me to think i might not have met my wife. So many variables could have prevented us from meeting, from falling in love. I'm not even certain i would still exist if our paths hadn't crossed.
Is this the closest an atheist can ever get to religious love? (I guess you can include 'parental love', although i have no first hand experience of that).
04 Oct 15
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeI hope you will take this as intended.
It scares me to think i might not have met my wife. So many variables could have prevented us from meeting, from falling in love. I'm not even certain i would still exist if our paths hadn't crossed.
Is this the closest an atheist can ever get to religious love? (I guess you can include 'parental love', although i have no first hand experience of that).
04 Oct 15
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeYou say there are so many variables that could have kept you from meeting. But you *did* meet anyways. Do you believe in "destiny"? I'm convinced that there are many, many "love stories" out there that could be made into a book or movie. There are "epic romances" all around us. I'm not trying to downplay yours, but all I'm saying is that everyday life contains so many epic tales, there will never be a shortage of material for the scribes.
It scares me to think i might not have met my wife. So many variables could have prevented us from meeting, from falling in love. I'm not even certain i would still exist if our paths hadn't crossed.
Is this the closest an atheist can ever get to religious love? (I guess you can include 'parental love', although i have no first hand experience of that).
Anyways, back to the purpose I wrote this reply. Do you think that perhaps you two were somehow "destined" to meet? That if it hadn't occurred just the way it did, it would have some other way?
04 Oct 15
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeGod is love.
It scares me to think i might not have met my wife. So many variables could have prevented us from meeting, from falling in love. I'm not even certain i would still exist if our paths hadn't crossed.
Is this the closest an atheist can ever get to religious love? (I guess you can include 'parental love', although i have no first hand experience of that).
Love is our connection to the unseen world of God.
It does not really exist in the material world. You can't see it, measure it, etc. However, it is so real to us that it is more important than material things like eating and breathing.
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Originally posted by SuzianneNapoleon believed in a 'star of destiny' that governed his life. Alas, i do not share his belief and see only random chance and coincidence. It is this lack of belief in destiny that makes me eternally grateful that 'chance' had me meet my wife. For example, the day we met i nearly delayed leaving home to eat a chocolate bar nicely chilled in the fridge. Had i done so i would have got a different bus and then a different train,...and would never have met her. Indeed, my life was not governed by destiny, it was governed by my willpower to delay eating a kit-kat.
You say there are so many variables that could have kept you from meeting. But you *did* meet anyways. Do you believe in "destiny"? I'm convinced that there are many, many "love stories" out there that could be made into a book or movie. There are "epic romances" all around us. I'm not trying to downplay yours, but all I'm saying is that everyday life ...[text shortened]... estined" to meet? That if it hadn't occurred just the way it did, it would have some other way?
04 Oct 15
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeSo you do not think that if chance had stepped the other way, that you two might have met somewhere else, under other circumstances? It is thought by some that 'soulmates' somehow find each other, even through several past lives. What do you think of this idea?
Napoleon believed in a 'star of destiny' that governed his life. Alas, i do not share his belief and see only random chance and coincidence. It is this lack of belief in destiny that makes me eternally grateful that 'chance' had me meet my wife. For example, the day we met i nearly delayed leaving home to eat a chocolate bar nicely chilled in the fri ...[text shortened]... my life was not governed by destiny, it was governed by my willpower to delay eating a kit-kat.
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Originally posted by SuzianneIt is a nice idea, but i'm not sure i have it in me to believe in such things as soulmates (in the 'predestined to meet' sense). 5 things i would very much like to believe in, but am unable to due to an innate requirement of tangible evidence:
So you do not think that if chance had stepped the other way, that you two might have met somewhere else, under other circumstances? It is thought by some that 'soulmates' somehow find each other, even through several past lives. What do you think of this idea?
1. A supreme being
2. Soulmates
3. Alien life
4. Bigfoot
5. That Disney will make a success of the Star Wars franchise.
04 Oct 15
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeBut come on, man.
It is a nice idea, but i'm not sure i have it in me to believe in such things as soulmates (in the 'predestined to meet' sense). 5 things i would very much like to believe in, but am unable to due to an innate requirement of tangible evidence:
1. A supreme being
2. Soulmates
3. Alien life
4. Bigfoot
5. That Disney will make a success of the Star Wars franchise.
Love isn't entirely "logical", either. At least you didn't ask her for "evidence of her claim". 🙂
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Originally posted by whodeyIf God is love, and love is our connection to the unseen world of God, then it follows that:
God is love.
Love is our connection to the unseen world of God.
Love is our connection to the unseen world of love.
Which sounds like circular reasoning best fitted on a fridge magnet.
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeIn English there is just one word, to the ancient Greeks there were many kinds of love, here are the four I know of, romantic love (eros), brotherly love (philia), love based on principle (agape) and family love (storge). I suspect that your love for your wife is a mixture of all of these aspects.
It scares me to think i might not have met my wife. So many variables could have prevented us from meeting, from falling in love. I'm not even certain i would still exist if our paths hadn't crossed.
Is this the closest an atheist can ever get to religious love? (I guess you can include 'parental love', although i have no first hand experience of that).
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeI feel the same about my wife, in fact I was only thinking about this topic this morning. I've been a little philosophical since the funeral last Friday; thinking about past, present and future and how the decisions I made way back then have influenced the course of my life, and similarly how what I decide now will influence the future. Kind of obvious of course, but when you stop and think about it, fate, coincidence, God ... Who plays a part.
It scares me to think i might not have met my wife. So many variables could have prevented us from meeting, from falling in love. I'm not even certain i would still exist if our paths hadn't crossed.
Is this the closest an atheist can ever get to religious love? (I guess you can include 'parental love', although i have no first hand experience of that).
05 Oct 15
Originally posted by robbie carrobieInteresting; what would be an example of love based on principle?
In English there is just one word, to the ancient Greeks there were many kinds of love, here are the four I know of, romantic love (eros), brotherly love (philia), love based on principle (agape) and family love (storge). I suspect that your love for your wife is a mixture of all of these aspects.