Originally posted by SuzianneWhy should anyone else share your belief that Revelation is divinely inspired when the only reason you have offered is that the person who wrote it claimed that what he'd written was divinely inspired? Surely your testimony about the content of Revelation is based on something more than just this kind of circular logic?
I can't really be bothered to give a flying rat's ass what anyone else believes about my right to do anything.
Again with the twisting. You asked about my belief that it is Jesus speaking in it. And now you conflate that with the idea that it is divinely inspired. The entire Bible is divinely inspired. What does this have to do with what anyone else ...[text shortened]... to do so?" Incredibly weak, man, as well as nonsensical. Non-sequitur. "It does not follow."
Originally posted by FMFAhhhh, the core of the matter, finally. Do you think I've insulted you? Why would you think that? Do you see yourself in this quote? Sounds like a personal problem. I'm not your psychoanalyst.
Surely the "charge" being made here is yours?
"...the ability to lie, whether knowingly or unconsciously, and to get away with it; and the ability to use lies and choose and shape facts selectively, blocking out those that don’t fit an agenda or program."
Does this apply only to people you disagree with or does it apply to people who have similar beliefs to you as well?
I mean, it could be that everyone has just nothing better to do than sit around and talk about you all day, but as much as you might like that, it's probably not the case.
Now, if you don't mind too terribly much, I have things to do.
Originally posted by FMFSurely. First thing you've said so far that is correct.
Why should anyone else share your belief that Revelation is divinely inspired when the only reason you have offered is that the person who wrote it claimed that what he'd written was divinely inspired? Surely your testimony about the content of Revelation is based on something more than just this kind of circular logic?
Originally posted by SuzianneHow can the message of God's revelation that you spread be so reliant on circular logic? Why would your God figure give you such a poor hand to play in your efforts to persuade others that He has revealed Himself to you?
Surely. First thing you've said so far that is correct.
Originally posted by SuzianneI am not offended by what you've said in the slightest. I am asking you point blank ~ about the "charge" you have made ~ does it apply only to people with different beliefs from you or does it also apply to some people who have more or less the same beliefs as you?
Ahhhh, the core of the matter, finally. Do you think I've insulted you? Why would you think that? Do you see yourself in this quote? Sounds like a personal problem. I'm not your psychoanalyst.
Originally posted by SuzianneBut nobody is asking you to talk about me. You are being asked about something you have posted.
I mean, it could be that everyone has just nothing better to do than sit around and talk about you all day, but as much as you might like that, it's probably not the case.
Originally posted by FMFIt isn't. "Circular logic" has nothing to do with it. That's your argument.
How can the message of God's revelation that you spread be so reliant on circular logic? Why would your God figure give you such a poor hand to play in your efforts to persuade others that He has revealed Himself to you?
He didn't. I don't have any "efforts to persuade others", at least not here. That's your shtick.
Originally posted by FMFC'mon. The only reason you care about it at all is that you think I'm talking about you.
But nobody is asking you to talk about me. You are being asked about something you have posted.
Oh, yeah, and your desire to assault me at every opportunity, in order to "make an example" of those who would dare to speak against you. And no, it doesn't have to make sense. It's your motivation, not mine.
Grow up. This isn't a school playground.
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Originally posted by SuzianneThis is just Clans Forum stuff, Suzianne.
C'mon. The only reason you care about it at all is that you think I'm talking about you.
Oh, yeah, and your desire to assault me at every opportunity, in order to "make an example" of those who would dare to speak against you. And no, it doesn't have to make sense. It's your motivation, not mine.
Grow up. This isn't a school playground.
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Originally posted by SuzianneOh but it is circular logic, Suzianne. The assertion that Revelation is divinely inspired because the person who wrote it claimed it was divinely inspired, therefore his claim ~ which is to be found in the divinely inspired Revelation ~ is itself divinely inspired... this is circular logic 101. Unless you have some other definition of circular logic...?
It isn't. "Circular logic" has nothing to do with it. That's your argument.