09 Jul 08
Originally posted by buckkyIt generates revenue. That's why they started the idea in the first place.
How come only the Catholics think Mary is more than human ?
This is not an insult to Mary or Catholics. There is no Biblical basis for the deification of Mary. Nor is there a Biblical basis for Mary as a mediator on behalf of human kind.
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09 Jul 08
Originally posted by buckkyCatholics do not regard Mary as more than human, although they do believe that she received the unique gift of the immaculate conception which places her apart from other humans (who presumably have original sin.)
How come only the Catholics think Mary is more than human ?
And it is not only Catholic who venerate Mary. It is a common practice in the Orthodox churches.
09 Jul 08
Originally posted by Conrau KSounds like you are saying that Mary did not have original sin because of the immaculate conception. What is the reasoning behind this?
Catholics do not regard Mary as more than human, although they do believe that she received the unique gift of the immaculate conception which places her apart from other humans (who presumably have original sin.)
And it is not only Catholic who venerate Mary. It is a common practice in the Orthodox churches.
I can see how you might argue that Jesus was not tainted by original sin due the nature of his conception but I can't see how this has any bearing on Mary.
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09 Jul 08
Originally posted by Conrau KNeither expression " immaculate conception " nor " original sin " are in the bible. I know original sin applies to all of Adam's descendents. How exactly was Mary conceived without original sin?
Because the immaculate conception is the doctrine that Mary was conceived without original sin.
10 Jul 08
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Originally posted by Rajk999jesus was conceived without to abominable and yucky act of two persons getting it on. from this comes the catholic main rule "if it feels good, stop" 😀
Neither expression " immaculate conception " nor " original sin " are in the bible. I know original sin applies to all of Adam's descendents. How exactly was Mary conceived without original sin?
jesus had the original sin like everyone else unless there would be a loophole in the bible. god might have said in genesis that the son of man would be carrying his sin(adam's sin not god's). since jesus had no man father he didn't have it. would like someone to post the bible verse though
10 Jul 08
And it is not only Catholic who venerate Mary. It is a common practice in the Orthodox churches.[/b]Catholics are the only group that pray through and to Mary, though (effectively making her a god, since one should only pray to God). This is in contradicion to wat the Bible teaches in 1 Tim 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus...
To answer the original question: I believe the Catholic perception of Mary has much to do with the 'mother and child' cult that existed in Rome at the time Constantine made Christianity the state religion. Many of these sun worshippers complained and Constantine allowed them to incorporate some of their beliefs into the newly birthed Catholic church. From there come such Catholic doctrines as praying thru Mary, Christmas (based on the Brumalia and Saturnalia), Easter (a sexual fertility festival for the godess Ishtar in which they used eggs and bunnies as symbols of fertility), the Eucharist (including the wafer with the symbol of sun-worship on it), Christening (sprinkling water on a baby to make it Christian), etc.
Though Constantine did some good he also seems to have messed up quite badly.