Meat Eating

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Do you believe man in his 'original' glorified state also didn't eat meat? (Before the fall).

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This is what I don't get. If man in his/her original state of perfection didn't eat meat, and will not do so again in their glorified' final' state, why isn't it a desired virtue not to eat meat now?

I'm quite certain man ate of the fruit of the trees in his original state.

",..why isn't it a desired virtue not to eat meat now?"

There are essential amino acids that man needs that can only be found in meat since after the flood. (but of course there's a huge debate about the truth of that) 🙂

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In that sense I would agree, but then that's merely speculation.

There will be no death in the "afterlife", of anything.

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Excuse me! The fish and the loaves came from a little boy whose mother packed him a lunch for the day. The fish came from the water. The fish were caught by someone and dried and salted.

Where did you come up with such a ridiculous idea that the fish were "never alive"? That's just obtuse.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Do you believe man in his 'original' glorified state also didn't eat meat? (Before the fall).

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This is what I don't get. If man in his/her original state of perfection didn't eat meat, and will not do so again in their glorified' final' state, why isn't it a desired virtue not to eat meat now?

Simply because God does not expect, neither want, man to live that way. Take for example God would rather man have one wife, but after the fall of man, people had several and God even condoned and encouraged the practice. Jesus defined virtues that man should pursue.

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Someone did kill the fish. In the Kingdom of God [the New Jerusalem], the bible describes a life without death, and that includes animals.

@rajk999 said
Simply because God does not expect, neither want, man to live that way. Take for example God would rather man have one wife, but after the fall of man, people had several and God even condoned and encouraged the practice. Jesus defined virtues that man should pursue.

God did NOT condone and encourage the practice of polygamy.

The scriptures teach nothing of the kind. In fact most of what you say is unbiblical.

You're goofy.

@secondson said
God did NOT condone and encourage the practice of polygamy.

The scriptures teach nothing of the kind. In fact most of what you say is unbiblical.

You're goofy.

David, a man after Gods own heart, had wives and concubines by the hundreds. Solomon, a man blessed by God who gave him everything, had wives and concubines that exceeded a thousand. Abraham, called a friend of God, had several. Job a man described as perfect in his ways, had several wives. These are the most righteous and perfect patriarchs of the bible whose place in the Kingdom of God is guaranteed.

@rajk999 said
David, a man after Gods own heart, had wives and concubines by the hundreds. Solomon, a man blessed by God who gave him everything, had wives and concubines that exceeded a thousand. Abraham, called a friend of God, had several. Job a man described as perfect in his ways, had several wives. These are the most righteous and perfect patriarchs of the bible whose place in the Kingdom of God is guaranteed.

You have the facts wrong.

David had eight wives. Solomon had 300 wives and 700 concubines. Abraham had one wife, and in that culture it was allowed that the handmaid of the wife could be given to her husband if the wife wanted to for the purpose of having children for the wife. Isaac had one wife. Jacob had two wives, and they each gave him their handmaids.

God sanctioned none of it, and those men suffered consequences for their actions.

They were far from perfect, and just because they had multiple wives in no way contradicts God's command of monogamy as you seem to be inferring.

@secondson said
You have the facts wrong.

David had eight wives. Solomon had 300 wives and 700 concubines. Abraham had one wife, and in that culture it was allowed that the handmaid of the wife could be given to her husband if the wife wanted to for the purpose of having children for the wife. Isaac had one wife. Jacob had two wives, and they each gave him their handmaids.

God sancti ...[text shortened]... they had multiple wives in no way contradicts God's command of monogamy as you seem to be inferring.

Who cares about all that nonsense explanation and if they suffered etc. The culture of people cannot supersede the wishes of God.

@rajk999 said
Who cares about all that nonsense explanation and if they suffered etc. The culture of people cannot supersede the wishes of God.

You're goofy. Now you're saying God makes wishes.

You can't talk biblically because you can't think biblically because you don't know the scriptures.

But don't worry, hardly anyone else posting in this forum does either, except Ghost of a duke who appears to know what the Bible says but doesn't believe what it means.

@secondson said
You're goofy. Now you're saying God makes wishes.

You can't talk biblically because you can't think biblically because you don't know the scriptures.

But don't worry, hardly anyone else posting in this forum does either, except Ghost of a duke who appears to know what the Bible says but doesn't believe what it means.

Your insults and your self promotion and boasting says it all about the kind of person you are. This is a discussion forum. Post your comments and leave out the fluff and nonsense. Save that when you home speaking to your wife.

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Therefore, according to your line of reasoning, which makes me wonder what the point is you're trying to make, God can create dead fish.

There are several problems with your perspective. The "extra fish" came from Jesus' hands, and were the same fish, multiplied, that were already dead that were placed in his hands. It was the already dead fish that were multiplied, and not new dead fish created.

Therefore it was the same two fish miraculously multiplied.

But the real problem is how you jumped in this discussion from the question of diet to God creating dead fish.