Originally posted by RJHindsnope,
I have to take that back. I see now he is not referring to
the day of the crucifixion; but to the day before the crucifixion.
I first thought he was using the sunset to sunset method for
determining the days; but it appears on closer reading he is
using the Roman method like we do today from midnight to
midnight as the days. That explains why he got t ...[text shortened]... year 33 instead of the correct year 31 when
Jesus would be 35 years old by the jewish calendar.
Jesus evidently was born in the month of Ethanim (September-October) of the year
2 B.C.E., was baptised about the same time of the year in 29 C.E., and died about
3:00 p.m. on Friday, the 14th day of the spring month of Nisan (March-April),
33 C.E.
The basis for these dates is as follows:
Jesus was born approximately six months after the birth of his relative John (the
Baptiser), during the rule of Roman Emperor Caesar Augustus (31 B.C.E.–14 C.E.)
and the Syrian governorship of Quirinius , and toward the close of the reign of
Herod the Great over Judea. Mt 2:1, 13, 20-22; Lu 1:24-31, 36; 2:1, 2, 7.
Further more , the scriptures indicate that after baptism Jesus began his own
ministry being at the time, thirty years of age and his ministry commenced for
three and a half years, his age at death is therefore not thirty five, but thirty three
and a half years.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThe first thing I want to correct is that Jesus was thirty years old
nope,
Jesus evidently was born in the month of Ethanim (September-October) of the year
2 B.C.E., was baptised about the same time of the year in 29 C.E., and died about
3:00 p.m. on Friday, the 14th day of the spring month of Nisan (March-April),
33 C.E.
The basis for these dates is as follows:
Jesus was born approximately six months ...[text shortened]... half years, his age at death is therefore not thirty five, but thirty three
and a half years.
at the time He began His ministry. The scriptures do not say He was
thirty years of age but that He was "about" thirty years of age.
If He had been thirty, the scriptures would have said He was thirty and
not that He was "about" thirty. The word "about" means near. So we
know He was not thirty. But by Jewish custom, it is known that He would
have to be at least thirty. The closest we can get to thirty, then is
thirty-one, which was His true age at that time.
The second thing is His birthday. It is true that John the Baptist was
born six months before Jesus; but you have got them reversed.
Jesus was born in the spring as the true Passover lamb.
"And His parents used to go to Jerusalem every year at the Feast
of the Passover. And when He became twelve, they went up there
according to the custom of the Feast;" (Luke 2:41-42 NASB).
Look closely, notice He "became" twelve at that time. He "became"
twelve as a result of His birthday coming at this time.
It is much more complicated to show that it was 5 B.C that He was
born, so I'm not going to bother getting into that.
Originally posted by RJHindsno its not, the scriptures do not say he was thirty one, it states that he was about thirty,
The first thing I want to correct is that Jesus was thirty years old
at the time He began His ministry. The scriptures do not say He was
thirty years of age but that He was "about" thirty years of age.
If He had been thirty, the scriptures would have said He was thirty and
not that He was "about" thirty. The word "about" means near. So we
know He was ...[text shortened]... that it was 5 B.C that He was
born, so I'm not going to bother getting into that.
you are making things up and going beyond what is written, No Christ was not born in
the spring, he was born, as I have stated somewhere between September and
October, he is the passover lamb not by virtue of his birthday, but by his act of self
sacrifice.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieLike I said and you admit the Holy Bible says Jusus was "about"
no its not, the scriptures do not say he was thirty one, it states that he was about thirty,
you are making things up and going beyond what is written, No Christ was not born in
the spring, he was born, as I have stated somewhere between September and
October, he is the passover lamb not by virtue of his birthday, but by his act of self
sacrifice.
thirty. That means Jesus was not thirty but "near" thirty.
Look up the meaning of the word "about" in the dictionary and
see if "about" means "near" and not "exactly". I did not say
the scriptures said He was thirty-one. What I said was that by
Jewish custom He was required to be at least thirty to be a
teacher of the law. So that rules out twenty-nine as his age.
Therefore, that leaves thirty-one as the nearest age to thirty
you can get. The custom for picking a Passover lamb was that
it be perfect, spotless, unblemished, and one year old. So a
lamb meeting these requirements and eactly one year old
would be the best choice. This means that the perfect choice
for a passover lamb would be one born on the previous Passover.
The evidence for His birthday being at the time of the Passover
is so clear that the only reason I can see why you refuse to accept
it is that you are too proud to admit you were wrong.
Isn't knowing the truth more important than pride?
Originally posted by menace71Yes, I have heard that before and they base that assumption on when they think
Google search it appears that Jesus was born most likely in the fall of the year like September / October. His birth is not as important has his death and resurrection though.
Manny
John the Baptist was born. Briefly, the idea is that since John's father was a Priest
and was performing His duty in the Temple when an angel told him that his son
would be born, they could use this information to help pinpoint his birth and the
birth of Jesus, who was born six months later than John. They determine what
priestly order or course he belonged to and use it to determine when he served.
The Jewish Mishnah indicates that each course served a week during the first half
of the year, the three annual festival weeks, and a week during the last half of the
year, for a total of five weeks during a normal year. From this information they
believe John would be born either in the Spring around Passover or in the Fall
around the Feast of Tabernacles. Since one custom expected the coming of
Elijah the prophet during Passover, they believed the coming meant his birth.
Also, since the the gospel of John says Jesus dwelt among us, they believe
that "dwelt" could be translated "Tabernacled" if it had been from the Hebrew.
So to them, this indicated Jesus was the one born during the Fall. They ignore
the fact that scholars agree that Jesus fulfilled the Spring festivals at his first
coming and will fulfill the Fall festivals on His second coming. So their idea is
good but the birth times are reversed because we see from Luke 2:41-42 NASB
that Jesus "became" twelve at the time of the Passover, which means He was
born at the time of the Passover.