Meta-narrative

@fmf said
I know full well that you believe "God is involved". I once did too. I am well aware of your religious faith, KellyJay. Anyway. Why don't you go back to talking about your personal opinion about a "meta-narrative" and about how the universe is 6,000 years old and how you are immortal and all the rest of it?

You may know the religion, you just missed the best part which is God.

@kellyjay said
You may know the religion, you just missed the best part which is God.

Nope. I am fully aware of and understand your religious faith and why you talk about "the best part which is God" and insist it is "the truth" etc. etc. I understand what your faith is and what it makes you believe. So, come on then, tell us about the 6,000-year-old Earth and why that is the only "meta-narrative" that makes sense etc, etc.

@fmf said
Nope. I am fully aware of and understand your religious faith and why you talk about "the best part which is God" and insist it is "the truth" etc. etc. I understand what your faith is and what it makes you believe. So, come on then, tell us about the 6,000-year-old Earth and why that is the only "meta-narrative" that makes sense etc, etc.

I agree you know the religious faith, you just never met the God who is the reason
for it all, by all I mean all.

@kellyjay said
I agree you know the religious faith, you just never met the God who is the reason
for it all, by all I mean all.

KellyJay, I know full well that you sincerely and passionately believe that you have "met the God" who you claim "is the reason for it all". I get that. I shared the same belief earlier in my life. I understand the faith you profess and I understand your psychological attachment to it. Believe me, I do.

So, what about it? Why is the 6,000-year-old Earth mythology the only "meta-narrative" that makes "logical sense" and why is it the "only logical conclusion" about the origin of the universe that "doesn't contradict itself"?

-Removed-

A godless Christianity isn't Christianity. You can be spot on in every doctrine and
not have God, so it doesn't matter if someone knows scripture; knowing scripture
is what the people had who hung Jesus on the cross. I'm not accusing fmf of
anything, simply taking him at his word, a practice he does not do with others.

@kellyjay said
A godless Christianity isn't Christianity.

Christianity is about following the teachings of Christ and believing that He died for the "sins" of mankind. Whether a believer has convinced themselves that they are 'godful' [and not "godless"], so to speak, doesn't really matter.

@kellyjay said
I'm not accusing fmf of
anything, simply taking him at his word, a practice he does not do with others.

Back then, I believed the same things as you do now. And I most certainly DO take you at your word when you describe the tenets of your faith.

-Removed-

He could have fallen away, yes, but he denies God is real; you cannot fall away from
someone you never met; if God isn't real to him now, he never was.

@fmf said
Christianity is about following the teachings of Christ and believing that He died for the "sins" of mankind. Whether a believer has convinced themselves that they are 'godful' [and not "godless"], so to speak, doesn't really matter.

Christianity is not just about following the teachings of Christ; it is following Christ.
There will be a large segment of people who did all kinds of things in the name of
Christ, and Jesus is going to tell them to depart from me. I never knew you.

One of the most precious promises Jesus made was that He would never leave or
forsake us, and if that were ever true in your life, you couldn't deny Him as you do.
The scripture is quite clear on this, you had a religion, I don't deny that, but Christ
no, Him you never knew; if you did, you'd never be able to deny Him. All you had
was a religion of following some rules, and I imagine some hopeful expectation of
what would occur if you did.

@kellyjay said
Christianity is not just about following the teachings of Christ; it is following Christ.
There will be a large segment of people who did all kinds of things in the name of
Christ, and Jesus is going to tell them to depart from me. I never knew you.

One of the most precious promises Jesus made was that He would never leave or
forsake us, and if that were ever true in y ...[text shortened]... ion of following some rules, and I imagine some hopeful expectation of
what would occur if you did.

I am well aware of what your Christian faith is, KellyJay. I had faith just like yours for the better part of three decades.

@kellyjay said
He could have fallen away, yes, but he denies God is real; you cannot fall away from
someone you never met; if God isn't real to him now, he never was.

The notion that you have "met God" is the core of your faith. The same notion that I had "met God" was at the core of my faith. If you lose your faith someday, it will NOT mean that, when you DID have faith, the notion that you had "met God" wasn't at the core of your faith.

@kellyjay said
He could have fallen away, yes, but he denies God is real; you cannot fall away fromsomeone you never met; if God isn't real to him now, he never was.

Good grief, KellyJay, how on Earth - from YOUR perspective - can my loss of faith alter what you believe is the reality of God?

And seeing as your faith tells you "God is real", how on Earth can you believe that, just because I don't believe "God is real" anymore, that my belief in the past that "God is real" was erroneous, or misguided or not real?