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Originally posted by josephwOh well, you could probably tell me why you keep up writing the word "Theopneustos" the wrong way;
Well, out of curiosity, what issue does bother a black beastie? 🙂
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Originally posted by AgergYou are in error assuming that I am making claims. What I am making is an argument for the case that God exists. While doing so I am using claims that I believe God has made about Himself.
[b]What ever gives you the idea that I thought you should believe me?
Erm ... How about because you're making claims about your god which you expect us to believe!?? 😕
Your god*, does NOT exist - and if it did, given that I hold your conception of it is an evil god ... there would be incredible risk.
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* I.e. the notion of this entity which resides in your head[/b]
Originally posted by black beetleGee! I looked it up in the Bible, went to a Greek concordance and that's what I came up with.
Oh well, you could probably tell me why you keep up writing the word "Theopneustos" the wrong way;
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Originally posted by josephwYou are in error assuming that I am making claims. What I am making is an argument for the case that God exists. While doing so I am using claims that I believe God has made about Himself.
You are in error assuming that I am making claims. What I am making is an argument for the case that God exists. While doing so I am using claims that I believe God has made about Himself.
[b]"* I.e. the notion of this entity which resides in your head"
"This entity" resides in my heart and in my head by way of God's Word. I have the Spirit of God ...[text shortened]... t, yet you think you know it isn't real. Be honest, you don't really know it's not real. Do you?[/b]
There is no risk in taking God at His Word.
There's a saying within the Christian community, "if God said it, I believe it, that settles it". I disagree.
It would be better stated, "God said it, that settles it".
The truth of God's Word exists independent of whether I believe it or not. But when I believe, is when God's Word takes effect in my life, and not until then.
Originally posted by Agerg"Sorry josephw but your statement "You are in error assuming that I am making claims" is just flat out wrong as the above clearly demonstrates. Further you have made no such argument that your God exists, you have merely asserted that "H"e does."
[b]You are in error assuming that I am making claims. What I am making is an argument for the case that God exists. While doing so I am using claims that I believe God has made about Himself.
lemme check what you originally wrote (to which I made the response that leads us to this mess you've got yourself in) ...
[quote]There is no risk in taking God ...[text shortened]... notion of god is simple minded and inherently contradictory ... hence I know it does not exist.[/b]
Originally posted by FMFI think the finite opportunity that life offers creates a meaning and significance to each day that immortality would obliterate.
I think I do. I think the finite opportunity that life offers creates a meaning and significance to each day that immortality would obliterate.
Therefore I reckon starting from scratch at periodic intervals [or being able to] ~ much like reincarnation, I suppose ~ would be a condition or assurance that would be necessary to make it worthwhile to consume the ...[text shortened]... rnity of fresh starts, it might work.
But, all in all, I think I would turn down the elixir.
Originally posted by josephwLet's suppose that this discussion was held between myself and a fervent believer in the Flying Spaghetti Monster - i.e. I'll replace all instances of "God" with FSM and pretend I am arguing with someone else...
[b]"Sorry josephw but your statement "You are in error assuming that I am making claims" is just flat out wrong as the above clearly demonstrates. Further you have made no such argument that your God exists, you have merely asserted that "H"e does."
You are mistaken. Think about it objectively if you can. Before you and I were born the scriptures were ...[text shortened]... being up all night refuting each claim. I proved that the claims made were false in every case.[/b]
No ... it resides only in your head, your heart is a muscle that pumps blood around your body (including your brain). Your head on the other hand, houses a brain, and that brain has conceptualised the notion of a deity which is ass-backwards wrong. You no more have the "spirit of FSM" inside you than I have the spirit of Thor inside me."Here. I will give you an example of a claim made by FSM that I believe and know to be true.
"Because I'm smart enough to know that contradictions don't have a real-life manifestation ... your notion of FSM is simple minded and inherently contradictory ... hence I know it does not exist."Wrong again! You know no such thing. You claim that what is in the scriptures is contradictory, but you cannot prove that. No one has ever proven to me that even one contradiction exists in the scriptures.
Originally posted by AgergWhat in God's name are you even saying?
Let's suppose that this discussion was held between myself and a fervent believer in the Flying Spaghetti Monster - i.e. I'll replace all instances of "God" with FSM and pretend I am arguing with someone else...
[b]You are mistaken. Think about it objectively if you can. Before you and I were born the scriptures were writen, and in them is the Word of FSM a ...[text shortened]... be responding here is wrong, substitute God for FSM and assume I was actually responding to you.
Originally posted by AgergA major problem with this is that the Flying Spaghetti Monster has no scriptures and certainly none which go back a couple of thousand years.
Let's suppose that this discussion was held between myself and a fervent believer in the Flying Spaghetti Monster - i.e. I'll replace all instances of "God" with FSM and pretend I am arguing with someone else...
[b]You are mistaken. Think about it objectively if you can. Before you and I were born the scriptures were writen, and in them is the Word of FSM a ...[text shortened]... be responding here is wrong, substitute God for FSM and assume I was actually responding to you.
Originally posted by DeepThoughtIt is true that "the Flying Spaghetti Monster has no scriptures and certainly none which go back a couple of thousand years." but it is not true, for the purpose of its usage here, that this is a problem, certainly not a major problem. Essentially, scriptures or not, josephw looking in on someone else arguing as he does with a different deity, would have no problems pointing out how the believer wasn't making a valid argument.
A major problem with this is that the Flying Spaghetti Monster has no scriptures and certainly none which go back a couple of thousand years.