29 Mar '06 16:37>
Originally posted by lucifershammerHuman beings are able to conceptualise and attain knowledge about all kinds of things that are "outside" the natural order.
Just a short response.
You're confusing our inability to visualise a being (or state) "outside" space-time with our (alleged) inability to know (or conceptualise) such a being.
This might make it clear - human beings cannot visualise what a four-dimensional object would look like (well, Penrose excepted). That doesn't mean we canno ...[text shortened]... alise and attain knowledge about all kinds of things that are "outside" the natural order.
I concede that I might just have limited comprehension here. So a couple questions—
(1) What kinds of things do we have knowledge about “outside” the natural order.
To put this roughly, since my brain is pretty rough this morning, I mean things other than the “God-type of things,” about which theists and atheists argue whether we can have such knowledge, and whether we can even coherently conceptualize such a being (as opposed to, say, the ease with which we can conceptualize a Zeus).
(2) Can you give me an example of something “outside” the natural, dimensional order without using analogous concepts from that order to do so (e.g., such words as “outside,” or “before” ).
If such an example or description simply requires mathematics that I do not have (hence my limited comprehension), I’ll take your word for it.