05 May '14 11:48>7 edits
Originally posted by FMF
All the evidence points to death being the end. Grampy Bobby's wishful thinking ~ regardless of how sincere or well-intentioned ~ is not evidence.
All the evidence points to death being the end. Grampy Bobby's wishful thinking ~ regardless of how sincere or well-intentioned ~ is not evidence.
What about the golden elephant in the middle of the living room of history - Jesus of Nazareth ?
Had He not come, and spoken, and taught, and acted we might all just shrug off any speculation of exception to dying as fantasy.
Since the coming of Christ - A.D. "the year of our Lord" things will never be the same again concerning our expectations of death.
Are you sure you'll close your eyes and oblivion will swallow up all personal identity and existence ? I mean that would be good news for a lot of unbelieving sinners.
In Paul's chapter on resurrection - (1 Cor. 15) he speaks of death as like the planting of a seed. It is far from an end in his mind but a beginning, a doorway to resurrection.
"But if Christ is proclaimed that He has been raised from the dead, how is it that some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? But if there is no resurrection of the dead, neither has Christ been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, then our proclamation is vain; your faith is vain also. And also we are found to be false witnesses of God because we have testified concerning God that He raised Christ, whom He did not raise, if indeed the dead are not raised." (v.12-14) ...
But someone will say, How are the dead raised? And with what kind of body do they come ? (v.35)
You see, even in the church in Corinth there were skeptics with tough questions. Or perhaps Paul was voicing questions that the Corinthian Christians were confronted with by friends and relatives.
"But someone wll say, How are the dead raised? And with what kind of body do they come? Foolish man, what you SOW is not made alive unless it dies." (v.36)
Physical death, Paul says is a sow[ing] like the planting of a seed. And resurrection, for the saved man, is not simply a "coming back" to life. It is intended by God as the sprouting into a whole new sphere of that which has been sown in the earth.
"And what you sow, you do not sow the body that will be, but a bare grain, perhaps of wheat or of some other of the rest. but God gives it a body even as He willed, and to each of the seeds its own body." (vs 36-38)
Millions upon millions of people are now in an intermediate state. But resurrection is coming via the word of Christ. And for the saved this resurrection will be like the sprouting into a new sphere of life from something sown into the ground.
(My point here is [not] how God will deal with each and every case of a dead person.)
Jesus told us not to "marvel" at the fact that as He rose from the dead, by His command all those dead will be raised.
"But do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming in which all in the tombs will hear His voice and will come forth: those who have done good, to the resurrection of life; and those who have practiced evil, to the resurrection of judgment." (John 5:29)
You and I are going to hear His voice and come OUT of the grave or tomb or heap of scattered ashes or whatever we left behind when we died.
Jesus said in effect " Don't marvel at this in astonishment. " So if we think it will not happen, we are setting ourselves up for a bitter disappointment.