Nature's Impossible Design

Originally posted by RJHinds
We have the Holy Bible.
We have the creation.
Scientist say the creation looks as though it was designed.
We now know there is DNA in the cell that carry the instruction information for building a reproduction of the orignal - evidence of an intelligence.

How is it possible that the Atheists can honestly deny the obvious?
[b]God must of done it.

HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord![/b]

Scientist say the creation looks as though it was designed.

only a tiny minority of creationist scientists that have no credibility as a result.
The vast majority would say there is no evidence of intelligent design in nature.
here is the evidence of this:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_qualified_scientists_support_creationism

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA111.html

We now know there is DNA in the cell that carry the instruction information for building a reproduction of the orignal - evidence of an intelligence.

how is that “evidence” of intelligent design? Can you elaborate please?...

How is it possible that the Atheists can honestly deny the obvious?
God must of done it.

that is not “obvious” but “absurd”.

Originally posted by humy

Scientist say the creation looks as though it was designed.

only a tiny minority of creationist scientists that have no credibility as a result.
The vast majority would say there is no evidence of intelligent design in nature.
here is the evidence of this:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_qualified_scientists_support_creationism

ht ...[text shortened]... honestly deny the obvious?
God must of done it. [/quote]
that is not “obvious” but “absurd”.

Information in DNA

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Originally posted by RJHinds
Information in DNA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rCkFLq3uts&feature=related

We don't believe the universe created god, we believe MEN created YOUR god.

This assshole really hates secular humanism and atheism and evolution.

Now he is doing an ad hominem attack on Darwin. That will convert us right there.

Our hero, madam O'hare.

The church CANNOT prove the existence of god.

Good luck on his idea he can prove the existence of his god.

The old adding genetic information trick.

So his argument is God did it, because men SAY so.

Christianity is true because Christians say its true.

This dude is SO humble.

Evolution Change over time? He loves to simplify the issue, doesn't he.

Information is everything? more deliberate simplification.

God represents something real, he says. Real because Riddle SAYS SO.

Riddle is exceedingly fond of himself isn't he?

Biogenesis, a LAW? that life ONLY comes from Life? He puts that up with Newton's law of gravitation, which is not a law BTW since it has been superseded by Relativity.

Information has no mass, wow, what a revelation.

He thinks he can destroy information but actually he cannot, because in the past, the information is still there, the blackboard he erased does not erase the information in that time frame.

All that exists is NOT just mass and energy as he is trying to foist on his audience.

Intentions ARE neuronal in origin which he tries to use to destroy materialism.

He devised his Universal Definition of Information to meet his agenda.

He seems to think that because we have such a new science as magnetic recording that DNA is so much better so GOD had to make it.

The interesting thing is he compared DNA to a 340 gigabyte HD. So we are developing HD's now in the TERABYTE range in only a few years.

It is obvious in a hundred years or so we will in fact at least equal the information density of DNA

All information HAS to have a sender, therefore GOD must have been the original sender. That is total bullshyte.

His whole thesis is based on pure bullshtye, he seems to think he has proved the existence of god. I hate to tell him, he hasn't proven anything.

It is indicative of his agenda that all the scientists were christian and PRAYED before each 'scientific' session. Also interesting that all the rest of the dudes had Phd's but he has only an undergrad degree in math and an MA in education.

Not quite up to the educational standards of the rest of that bunch.

I guess with an undergraduate degree in math, he thinks he can bamboozle and dazzle the audience with his supreme intelligence.

All he really is doing is showing his agenda. He does not want to expand the range of human knowledge, in fact he wants to restrict it to his tiny world while the real world around us in infinitely more interesting than the total BS he is trying to foist on the world.

He is a control freak, that is apparent. I'll bet his kids silently cringe whenever he shows up.

Originally posted by sonhouse
We don't believe the universe created god, we believe MEN created YOUR god.

This assshole really hates secular humanism and atheism and evolution.

Now he is doing an ad hominem attack on Darwin. That will convert us right there.

Our hero, madam O'hare.

The church CANNOT prove the existence of god.

Good luck on his idea he can prove the exist ...[text shortened]... trol freak, that is apparent. I'll bet his kids silently cringe whenever he shows up.

He was a part of a group of scientists that finally gave an adequate scientific definition for "information". They should have worked on an adequate scientific
definition of "evolution" at the same time. But actually we would be better off just getting rid of that word altogether.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Information in DNA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rCkFLq3uts&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN1dy1lHcC0&feature=related

The Creationist propaganda videos are just packed full to the brim with the usual lies, misinformation and twisted logic and contains absolutely no valid evidence.
The morons keep quoting the Bible scriptures when trying to make a case against a scientific theory -ye, that is really rational way of doing it -not.

So back to my question which was about you quote:

"...We now know there is DNA in the cell that carry the instruction information for building a reproduction of the orignal - evidence of an intelligence...." (your quote)

how is that “evidence” of intelligent design? Can you elaborate please?...

Originally posted by humy
The Creationist propaganda videos are just packed full to the brim with the usual lies, misinformation and twisted logic and contains absolutely[b] no valid evidence.
The morons keep quoting the Bible scriptures when trying to make a case against a scientific theory -ye, that is really rational way of doing it -not.

So back to my question which was abou ...[text shortened]... ." (your quote)

how is that “evidence” of intelligent design? Can you elaborate please?...[/b]

It is explained in the second video.

Originally posted by RJHinds
It is explained in the second video.

where in the second video?
can you give the actual quote?

Originally posted by humy
where in the second video?
can you give the actual quote?

It builds up to it. You can not understand with one specific quote.

Originally posted by RJHinds
It builds up to it. You can not understand with one specific quote.

So use more than one quote.
Just outline the argument/evidence.

Originally posted by humy
So use more than one quote.
Just outline the argument/evidence.

This is a testimony from a graduate of a medical school who listened to a 50 cent CD that changed him from being a convinced evolutionist to a convinced creationists by being taught something about DNA that his $150,000 education had left out.

He said that he had held a human brain in his hand and marveled that undirected chemical action had produced it as he had been taught. For he had been taught that over time matter, energy, and undirected chemical action produced all living things by evolution. However, Dr. Wilder-Smith presented to him on the CD a more plausible explanation. He said that living systems work through chemical action, but are not produced or created by chemical actions. That is, that the production of life systems required INFORMATION to instruct and direct the use of energy on the matter to produce the right kind of cells to make up a heart, a liver, a kdney, a brain, and all other organs that make up the human body.

DNA is a storage molecule for the information language code that tells something else how to make the right kind of proteins and assemble them in the right order at the right time to make a functioning human body. Forgive me for not remembering all the names and details for it is complex. That is, the information system in the DNA is complex, specific, overlapping, redundant, and semetic. By semetic he is referring to the language properties of the information code. For persons who understand a language, the order of the letters in the language represent assigned meaning by at least two people before it can be used as a language. He used the Morse code and the binary code used in a computer language as examples.

When Crick and Watson are said to have cracked the DNA code, they were discovering the meaning of the information language. They determined it was like a four letter computer code language that could be read, reproduced, and provide instruction on building proteins and whatever necessary for making another human being.

Then he asks the question: How did the information system get there?

He said if one went to the Biology Department in the University, the professor will say it got there by a series of chance happenings over a long period of time. But if one were to go to the Computer Information Science Department and ask a professor if an information system could arise by chance, he would say no. He would say it requires intelligent contrivance and that chance is opposite of information; and a computer programmer would make every effort to eliminate something happening by chance, because that would destroy the purpose of his program.

He also talks about the Miller experiment that produced some amino acids. He said nothing was produced that had any relation to life until after Miller had tweaked tha experiment. So He concluded that what Miller proved was that it takes chemical no-how.

So information language systems require rules and regulations to assign meaning to the sequences of messages produced and that does not come about by chance, but requires intelligent contrivance.

If you wish to get a better understanding maybe the following website will be helpful. The college lectures are not video but mp3 and I recomment the last two in the college lecture series for you, at least.

http://www.wildersmith.org/library.htm

Originally posted by RJHinds
He was a part of a group of scientists that finally gave an adequate scientific definition for "information". They should have worked on an adequate scientific
definition of "evolution" at the same time. But actually we would be better off just getting rid of that word altogether.

No, they designed the definition so the biblical creation would have been the only logical choice.

Originally posted by sonhouse
No, they designed the definition so the biblical creation would have been the only logical choice.

You keep putting your head up your arse. You should smell the coffee and realize the theory of evolution is headed for the garbage just like spontaneous generation before it. The surviver and winner again, and still champion, Creation! Applause! Applause!
Glory be to God! HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord!

Originally posted by RJHinds
You keep putting your head up your arse. You should smell the coffee and realize the theory of evolution is headed for the garbage just like spontaneous generation before it. The surviver and winner again, and still champion, Creation! Applause! Applause!
Glory be to God! HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord!

They don't want creationism to just win. They want to destroy evolution as a science so they can feel free to propagandize the creationism horror story in science class as the ONLY way the Earth and life started.

Like the Genghis Khan quote: "I don't want to just win, I want the enemy to lose".

Originally posted by sonhouse
They don't want creationism to just win. They want to destroy evolution as a science so they can feel free to propagandize the creationism horror story in science class as the ONLY way the Earth and life started.

Like the Genghis Khan quote: "I don't want to just win, I want the enemy to lose".

Evolution is a fairy tale for grownups like you. Put it in the fiction section of the library where it belongs.

Originally posted by RJHinds
This is a testimony from a graduate of a medical school who listened to a 50 cent CD that changed him from being a convinced evolutionist to a convinced creationists by being taught something about DNA that his $150,000 education had left out.

He said that he had held a human brain in his hand and marveled that undirected chemical action had produced it a ...[text shortened]... t two in the college lecture series for you, at least.

http://www.wildersmith.org/library.htm

-in other words, those arguments/evidence consist of all the usual creationist crap of lies, misinformation and twisted logic -thank you.