Nirvana is Death

Originally posted by karoly aczel
Oh I understand you fine. And if we were one on one I would bow and about face but, as I have mentioned before, this is a public forum.

As regards to "communicating such a thing" is there not a thing called "transmission of samadhi"? Or some such thing? Like when an enlightened person "transmits" or "communicates" the understanding they have attained ...[text shortened]... ghtened one?
I think the vast majority of Zen literature is made up of such stories,no?

Yes; in our Zennist tradition we are using mainly objects😵

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
Nirvana is an idea about a state of being. God is an idea of a person.

Nirvana is an idea of a state of being based on self delusion.

God IS.

Originally posted by josephw
Nirvana is an idea of a state of being based on self delusion.

God IS.

Or perhaps...

God is a being based on a state of self-delusion. Nirvana IS.

Many posts in this forum deliver opinion in the guise of fact, don't they?

Originally posted by avalanchethecat
Or perhaps...

God is a being based on a state of self-delusion. Nirvana IS.

Many posts in this forum deliver opinion in the guise of fact, don't they?

yes they do

Originally posted by black beetle
The schools emphasising in nirvana have a simple target: the meditator wants to elevate to the arahant level and there to remain. But the next level of the way is beyond the ability of the arahant. You cannot find the way outside of your self. So the attitude "holding nothing will allow nothing to rise" still creates karma, and as such is a product of a ...[text shortened]... n, on your own.

You know that all return to One; can you tell me where the One returns?
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And with Zen there's definitely a focus on not worrying about holding that attitude- how can wanting to achieve nirvana actually get you there if you're holding onto expectations and desires to reach it? It's kind of a catch 22 and when Buddhism adapts the more naturalistic and animistic ideals of Shintoism and Confucianism it almost tries to alleviate this stress.
Basically we trap ourselves in our pursuit for our goal (in this example, nirvana) and that's just an inherent nature and that in itself is part of nirvana because we are doing things unforced (wu-wei?). It's you working the way you are.
I think the directive in these schools is a constant progression- become more aware and aligned with your found morality and continue to grow. And I also think that you're paradise and hell is all in front of you and it's how you manipulate the things around you (perspectives and actions) to highlight it.

Edit: Referring to your last question- And i don't hold that as a preoccupation of mine to wonder where one will return to. I can't know and so there's no point in going on anything beyond skeptical speculation. After all, this is an issue people will hold distaste in their hearts amongst each other and wage war

Originally posted by ua41
And with Zen there's definitely a focus on not worrying about holding that attitude- how can wanting to achieve nirvana actually get you there if you're holding onto expectations and desires to reach it? It's kind of a catch 22 and when Buddhism adapts the more naturalistic and animistic ideals of Shintoism and Confucianism it almost tries to alleviate this str ...[text shortened]... is an issue people will hold distaste in their hearts amongst each other and wage war

Yeah what he said..anyway there is no "One", there is only" Zero"-and thats just not found on any radar.
But in the Zen tradition of answering pointless,absurd questions , one may well think the ol' Beastie was trying to clear our minds,no?

Originally posted by karoly aczel
Yeah what he said..anyway there is no "One", there is only" Zero"-and thats just not found on any radar.
But in the Zen tradition of answering pointless,absurd questions , one may well think the ol' Beastie was trying to clear our minds,no?

True. Reminds me of koans 🙂

Gong an😵




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and
That child of a noble family ua41
Two full, perfect cups!😵

If Nirvana was death, it could be attained much easier than a life of meditation, devotion, spirituality, and discipline. No way.

Originally posted by Mguy81
If Nirvana was death, it could be attained much easier than a life of meditation, devotion, spirituality, and discipline. No way.

Not while you're still alive. Unless you're a vampire or summat.

Originally posted by Mguy81
If Nirvana was death, it could be attained much easier than a life of meditation, devotion, spirituality, and discipline. No way.

Its refferred to as a "white death"-ie. death of the ego- not the death of the body.