Spirituality
30 Aug 22
@kellyjay saidI have never met anyone who believes that there are "...no consequences for our actions, inactions, [and] words". Nor have I ever met anyone who believes that there "should be no consequences for our actions, inactions, words". You have started an entire thread with the clumsiest of strawmen.
Do you feel in life there should be no consequences for our actions
inactions, words, or all in all, how we live our lives, do we have a way
should we live?
30 Aug 22
@kellyjay saidDo we have a way should we live? [sic]
Do you feel in life there should be no consequences for our actions
inactions, words, or all in all, how we live our lives, do we have a way
should we live?
The way we feel we "should" live our lives is shaped by communal, cultural and legal norms and by our each and every unique moral compass.
30 Aug 22
@kellyjay saidDo you feel in life there should be no consequences for our actions
Do you feel in life there should be no consequences for our actions
inactions, words, or all in all, how we live our lives, do we have a way
should we live?
inactions, words, or all in all, how we live our lives, do we have a way
should we live?
My short answer would be "Yes" fortunately, most of this has been pretty well thought out and written in our own national and local legal statues.
30 Aug 22
@mchill saidIt has also been "has been pretty well thought out" by our families, and neighbours, and schools, and out places of worship [where applicable], our workplaces, our communities, our cultural and historical heritages... and then, as you say, by our legal and law enforcement systems.
My short answer would be "Yes" fortunately, most of this has been pretty well thought out and written in our own national and local legal statues.
30 Aug 22
@kellyjay saidI don’t feel like that and I don’t know anyone who does.
Do you feel in life there should be no consequences for our actions
inactions, words, or all in all, how we live our lives, do we have a way
should we live?
Unless you want this to be one of the shortest spirituality threads ever I suggest you drop the Galveston75 style of strawman and allow the other shoe to drop.
30 Aug 22
@kellyjay saidthe golden rule
do we have a way
should we live?
islam - not one of you truly believes until you wish for others what you wish for yourself
- muhammad
baha’i - lay not on any soul a load that you would not wish to be laid upon you, and desire not for anyone the things you would not desire for yourself
- baha’u’llah
hinduism - this is the sum of duty: do not do to others what would cause pain if done to you
- mahabharata
buddhism - treat not others in ways that you yourself would find hurtful
- udana-varga 5.18
confucianism - words which sum up the basis of all good conduct… loving kindness. do not do to others what you do not want done to yourself
- confucius
taoism - regard your neighbour’s gain as you own gain, and your neighbour’s loss as your own loss
- t’ai shang kan ying p’ien
sikhism - i am a stranger to no one; and no one is a stranger to me. indeed i am a friend to all
- guru granth sahib
christianity - in everything, do to others as you would have them do to you; for this is the law and prophets
- jesus, matthew 7.12
unitarianism - we affirm and promote respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part
native american spirituality - we are as much alive as we keep the earth alive
- chief dan george
zoroastrianism - do not do unto others whatever is injurious to yourself
- shayast-na-shayast 13.29
jainism - one should treat all creatures in the world as one would like to be treated
- mahavint sutrakritanga
judaism - what is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. this is the whole torah; all the rest is commentary
- hillei
30 Aug 22
@rookie54 said*unless you're a masochist; consult one of your normal friends for help in that case.
the golden rule
islam - not one of you truly believes until you wish for others what you wish for yourself
- muhammad
baha’i - lay not on any soul a load that you would not wish to be laid upon you, and desire not for anyone the things you would not desire for yourself
- baha’u’llah
hinduism - this is the sum of duty: do not do to others what would cause pain if d ...[text shortened]... ul to you, do not do to your neighbor. this is the whole torah; all the rest is commentary
- hillei
@fmf saidI'm asking, not telling; for you, there are the communal, cultural, and legal norms;
Do we have a way should we live? [sic]
The way we feel we "should" live our lives is shaped by communal, cultural and legal norms and by our each and every unique moral compass.
these are all outside influences. There is nothing innate about your notions of how
we should live; they can only come from the outside, and you have to buy into them?
30 Aug 22
@mchill saidAre you saying yes to no consequences?
Do you feel in life there should be no consequences for our actions
inactions, words, or all in all, how we live our lives, do we have a way
should we live?
My short answer would be "Yes" fortunately, most of this has been pretty well thought out and written in our own national and local legal statues.
30 Aug 22
@divegeester saidzzzzzzzzzzzzz
I don’t feel like that and I don’t know anyone who does.
Unless you want this to be one of the shortest spirituality threads ever I suggest you drop the Galveston75 style of strawman and allow the other shoe to drop.
31 Aug 22
@kellyjay saidBoy oh boy, it's as if you've never read or understood anything I have ever posted on this topic.
There is nothing innate about your notions of how
we should live; they can only come from the outside, and you have to buy into them?
Our moral compassess are formed by a synthesis of "nature" and "nurture".
"Nurture" is what we experience and absorb from our human environment. It forms a unique narrative and an uncountable number of case studies.
"Nature" corresponds to what you probably mean when you use the word "innate". In combination with the "nature" element, it creates a unique personhood.
Deciding whether we "buy into" things "from outside" of us is what our moral compasses are for.
31 Aug 22
@fmf saidI can understand what you say and still do not agree with you. So you are saying
Boy oh boy, it's as if you've never read or understood anything I have ever posted on this topic.
Our moral compassess are formed by a synthesis of "nature" and "nurture".
"Nurture" is what we experience and absorb from our human environment. It forms a unique narrative and an uncountable number of case studies.
"Nature" corresponds to what you probably mean when you use ...[text shortened]... .
Deciding whether we "buy into" things "from outside" of us is what our moral compasses are for.
all morals are pressed in on us; otherwise, there isn't anything in us that can make
up our minds, each of us is nothing more than a product of our environment as
we are synthesized. Like dominos that fall, our morals are all deterministic nothing
more than where we are dropped off in time and location, is your view?
@kellyjay saidNo. It's not about whether we agree or disagree. It's about this gimmick you use where you pretend you don't know what my stance is. What was that foolishness a few weeks back? Where you pretended you didn't know whether I was a theist or not. Now you are saying something foolish to me as if we have never discussed morality before.
I can understand what you say and still do not agree with you.