Originally posted by twhitehead
I believe a large part of the problem is the strong belief in punishment for crimes rather than correction. This belief in punishment is promoted by religion
They were children. The depraved beasts are whoever put a gun in their hands and put them in a situation where they don't seam to have any sense of morality, and possibly need to steal to survive (this last may of course not be the case).
What I do know for a fact is that the vast majority of violent criminals in the US have a history of being in 'correc ...[text shortened]... would show a correlation between secular governments and more humane treatment of criminals.
This is about as silly as anything I have ever heard. In case you didn't hear, the United States government is a big proponent of the separation of church and state. Any indication of anything religion wise promoted in institutions is quickly challenged by the folks in Washington, the ACLU and others. State run institutions that house criminals are both for punishment and
correction. Every society since the beginning of human existence has had laws, rules, etc. by which you must abide (theocracies, monarchies, oligarchies, dictatorships, socialists, communists, capitalists, etc...) I think you get the picture, its not about religion. In fact, I think (although I have not verified) that more correction goes on in US prisons than in other countries around the world, though not always effective. Additionally to make a correlation between punishment for one's crimes in some way being related to 'religion' is ludicrous, you are grasping for straws! I have not researched the data, but I think you will find that inmates who have chosen to follow some sort of 'religion' have a lower rate of recidivism than those who continue on their merry way.
Inmates have the opportunity to learn, get college degrees and many other things if these so choose, in fact I know a guy who is actually teaching construction to fellow inmates as a trade in a medium security facility.
I think the biggest issue with repeat offenders is the lack of ability to get employment because of criminal history, (punishment? perhaps, but perhaps not) nothing to do with religion and everything to do with stigma and trust. In fact there are faith based organizations that take the 'risk' and hire these folks on in an effort to help them have a better life, and not repeat or make further bad decisions. This has everything to do with religion.
In fact I think statistics would show a correlation between secular governments and more humane treatment of criminals.
You do? You don't think the US is secular? How much more humane can you get? Do you believe there is 'another way' in dealing with criminals and crime that is different than how this is currently handled in the United States, and that has had positive results in the way of recidivism? and... correction? How is this done in your country and do you think it is better?
And this question, perhaps for another thread...
Why the burn for Christianity and Faith. Are you one of those guys that watches CNN all day and lets them do the thinking for you; tell you what Christians are, what people of faith are. I have read a lot about what 'atheists' think and feel about Christians, some were even Christians... in this forum. I don't get the rub, what is it. Can you not have respect for how somebody else chooses to live their life and what to believe. After all that is what you are doing with less friction.