No God

Originally posted by nonamesleftatall
Most assume a divine intervention and divine principals that stand above all nature. These unfortunately have been tarnished by organised religions and man’s interpretation of messiah’s over time. Thus when one finds a flaw in one religions, they assume immediately that all other divine doctrines are measured within the same disciplines which is not ...[text shortened]... s further but not on this thread s I hardly visit it email me if you like aduggalios@yahoo.co.uk

My take is this: I cannot out of hand deny the possible existence of a god, since I am after all only human and limited to what I can see, feel, touch and imagine.

But it seems clear to me there are too many organized religions to ever have been formulated by a god, too much religious fighting that a concerned god would allow.

With that in mind my working assumption is, granting the existence of a god, it is strictly hands off and we are fully in charge of our fate, whether leading to a new god hood or our extinction, it is in our hands.

Originally posted by Suzianne
No, I said capitalism, and I meant capitalism, the religion of Greed.

The closest thing we in the US have to a state-sponsored religion.

http://www.studentnewsdaily.com/conservative-vs-liberal-beliefs/

Capitalism:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism

Liberalism:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

Social liberalism:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberalism

Originally posted by RJHinds
http://www.studentnewsdaily.com/conservative-vs-liberal-beliefs/

Capitalism:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism

Liberalism:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

Social liberalism:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberalism

I don't need a poli-sci primer.

And I definitely don't need a washed-out version of the righteousness of capitalist greed, or a hateful condemnation of liberalism. And I really, really don't need a "wikipedia-walk-thru".

I think the question here is a version of WWJD?

He certainly would NOT be a capitalist. Period.

Originally posted by Agerg
Well you know "G"od doesn't exist and so do I; however to tear theists away from the honey-coated nipple of delusion they've been suckling on so contentedly their whole lives will take, I fear, a little bit more effort than just a series of assertions.

Thank God. 😉

Originally posted by googlefudge
Any god who's validity is contingent on the existence of souls and/or the afterlife is in
direct contradiction with the pretty conclusive evidence that no such things as souls or
an afterlife exists.

How can you possibly have "conclusive evidence" when the conclusion this evidence points you to is wrong?

Originally posted by johnnylongwoody
There is no God. There is only the common wisdom and intelligence of humanity.
We must forget all forms of religion and work together as one human family using common sense and logic for a better more peaceful prosperous world. Religion only breeds hatred, war and division.

Religion is only a con to raise money for certain elite groups of co ...[text shortened]... use our skills together as one to make a better peaceful world. And no I am not a communist.

God help us, not another one. 😲

Edit: I'll give you 1 point out of 10 for not being a communist. 😵

Originally posted by whodey
God help us, not another one. 😲

Edit: I'll give you 1 point out of 10 for not being a communist. 😵

When he is telling the real truth?

Originally posted by johnnylongwoody
There is no God. There is only the common wisdom and intelligence of humanity.
We must forget all forms of religion and work together as one human family using common sense and logic for a better more peaceful prosperous world. Religion only breeds hatred, war and division.

Religion is only a con to raise money for certain elite groups of co ...[text shortened]... use our skills together as one to make a better peaceful world. And no I am not a communist.

There are easier ways to con people out of their money. No need to spend over 3,000 years putting together a near 800,000-word book.

Originally posted by rwingett
What if you had a religion without a god?

Like yours?
Kelly

Originally posted by Suzianne
I don't need a poli-sci primer.

And I definitely don't need a washed-out version of the righteousness of capitalist greed, or a hateful condemnation of liberalism. And I really, really don't need a "wikipedia-walk-thru".

I think the question here is a version of WWJD?

He certainly would NOT be a capitalist. Period.

Opinions are not facts. 😏

Originally posted by Suzianne
How can you possibly have "conclusive evidence" when the conclusion this evidence points you to is wrong?

Good point!

I know that the world is flat.

So called "conclusive evidence" to the contrary is therefore false.

Originally posted by wolfgang59
Good point!

I [b]know that the world is flat.

So called "conclusive evidence" to the contrary is therefore false.[/b]

I agree that by any reasonable definition of "know", one should expect you know the world is flat. However, it could well be the case that all your memories are false, the physics said to describe the earth and universe is in error, and no one is talking about this (at least to you), because they are all involved in some big conspiracy to deceive you into thinking the earth is not flat. As such it is not impossible that conclusive evidence to the contrary could be brought forth.

Incidentally the above case, as outlandish as it seems, is way more likely than the proposition "G"od exists is true.
We know many things for which we lack a definite proof; in my case, in full control of my senses and quite rational in this instance at least, the absurd abrahamic god of the Bible not being a thing that exists happens to be one of them.

Originally posted by KellyJay
Like yours?
Kelly

Well, I've given the example of pantheism. While the universe (or the earth) may be thought of as "god", there is no transcendent god that stands apart from the universe, or who is the creator of the universe. They would be one and the same.

Originally posted by rwingett
Well, I've given the example of pantheism. While the universe (or the earth) may be thought of as "god", there is no transcendent god that stands apart from the universe, or who is the creator of the universe. They would be one and the same.

Spoken like a true believer.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Spoken like a true believer.
Kelly

As everything that comprises "god" would be accessible to the senses, there would be no need for "faith", and thus the term "true believer" would be largely unnecessary. In a pantheistic worldview, there would be no supernatural element.