31 Aug 16
Originally posted by chaney3But we have discussed the ensuing immoral actions that may take place. We have agreed (I think) that those immoral actions [that may take place] are immoral actions [if they do in fact take place. In my opinion, you cannot characterize drinking alcohol - or indeed being drunk - as being an immoral act simply because in some people it sometimes may lead to immoral acts.
in my opinion, you cannot discuss drinking alcohol without also discussing the ensuing actions that may take place.
That would be like asserting that marriage is, in and of itself, morally unsound because it leads to adultery, domestic violence, marital rape, mental cruelty, neglect of children, and so on, and that the morality of a person getting married cannot be separated from those immoral acts.
Your attitude towards the morality of alcohol consumption is a recipe for the proscription of something of which you disapprove and with which you have a personal substance abuse with problem with. This is not a sound way to formulate and propose moral standards
31 Aug 16
Originally posted by karoly aczelThere is strong evidence between the use of marijuana and mental health problems. (In some people). There are also links between mental health problems and suicide, so you could argue that marijuana has caused indirect deaths.
Alcohol was prohibited for a while and marijuana became illegal because it threatened the cotton industry. That's why all those reefer madness films were made, nothing to do with the actual effects.
Like I mentioned before, not one death recorded resulting directly from marijuana use
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeI had a very close friend who, several years ago, lost his good mental health through smoking strong marijuana.
There is strong evidence between the use of marijuana and mental health problems. (In some people). There are also links between mental health problems and suicide, so you could argue that marijuana has caused indirect deaths.
31 Aug 16
Originally posted by divegeesterSadly many people have suffered the same fate. (Sorry to hear about your friend).
I had a very close friend who, several years ago, lost his good mental health through smoking strong marijuana.
Of course, some people can smoke marijuana and not suffer any long term damage, even when smoked regularly, but there does seem to be a significant percentage of the population that have adverse consequences for their mental health,in particular schizophrenia and issues around hallucinations and hearing voices (even when the smoking has stopped). Personally, I suspect these people were predisposed to mental health issues and that marijuana acted as a trigger. (Like an egg with a hairline crack given a whack).
31 Aug 16
Originally posted by chaney3Yes smoke is bad.
I'm really not sure how to reply to your post, except to say that smoking weed may not be equal to alcohol with regards to the effect on the brain, but certainly it must be bad to have the smoke inhaled into the lungs.....right? Any studies on
that?
Edit: I will add that you have clearly defended and rationalized your personal 'drug of choice'.
That , of course has nothing to do with THC, which can be ingested in other ways
31 Aug 16
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeThere is also a strong link between marijuana use and good health. Physical and mental.
There is strong evidence between the use of marijuana and mental health problems. (In some people). There are also links between mental health problems and suicide, so you could argue that marijuana has caused indirect deaths.
As always "one size does not fit all"
Some have labelled weed "god's drug". When it takes potentially threatening people and makes them slow down a bit without becoming habit-forming, I can see why.
31 Aug 16
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeI have been diagnosed with schizophrenia. Weed has helped.
Sadly many people have suffered the same fate. (Sorry to hear about your friend).
Of course, some people can smoke marijuana and not suffer any long term damage, even when smoked regularly, but there does seem to be a significant percentage of the population that have adverse consequences for their mental health,in particular schizophrenia and iss ...[text shortened]... issues and that marijuana acted as a trigger. (Like an egg with a hairline crack given a whack).
Some have had adverse effects, no doubt.
Originally posted by karoly aczeldude i used to smoke weed, copious amounts of weed, skunk weed, been to the coffee shops of Amsterdam and eaten space cake, everything and I don't believe there was any health benefits. I used to be a labourer, digging holes in the ground with a pick axe and a shovel, for builders, farmers etc very physical work, one spliff and that shovel weighed ten tons! How is it that you are saying it has health benefits?
There is also a strong link between marijuana use and good health. Physical and mental.
As always "one size does not fit all"
Some have labelled weed "god's drug". When it takes potentially threatening people and makes them slow down a bit without becoming habit-forming, I can see why.
Originally posted by robbie carrobie23 Medical Uses Of Marijuana
dude i used to smoke weed [ ...] How is it that you are saying it has health benefits?
http://www.businessinsider.co.id/health-benefits-of-medical-marijuana-2014-4/?r=US&IR=T#uULZ18jyzLxJT0dY.97
25 HEALTH BENEFITS OF MARIJUANA
https://www.greenrushdaily.com/2016/05/20/health-benefits-of-marijuana/
7 really surprising health benefits from smoking cannabis
http://metro.co.uk/2016/03/07/7-really-surprising-health-benefits-from-smoking-cannabis-5738619/
Health Benefits of Cannabis Essential Oil
https://www.organicfacts.net/health-benefits/essential-oils/cannabis-essential-oil.html
20 Medical Benefits of Marijuana You Probably Never Knew
http://www.lifehack.org/articles/lifestyle/20-medical-benefits-marijuana-you-probably-never-knew.html
Medical Marijuana 101
https://www.medicaljane.com/category/cannabis-classroom/#medical-marijuana-101
It's an interesting topic.
01 Sep 16
Originally posted by FMFYes, there are many claims of health benefits for marijuana, especially around pain management etc. (Can even be prescribed I believe in certain cases).
23 Medical Uses Of Marijuana
http://www.businessinsider.co.id/health-benefits-of-medical-marijuana-2014-4/?r=US&IR=T#uULZ18jyzLxJT0dY.97
25 HEALTH BENEFITS OF MARIJUANA
https://www.greenrushdaily.com/2016/05/20/health-benefits-of-marijuana/
7 really surprising health benefits from smoking cannabis
http://metro.co.uk/2016/03/07/7-really-surprising-health ...[text shortened]... medicaljane.com/category/cannabis-classroom/#medical-marijuana-101
It's an interesting topic.
That said, the risk to mental health would seem to outweigh any possible health benefit.
01 Sep 16
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeI would leave the choice to the person undergoing chemotherapy or suffering from glaucoma or other illnesses. The risk to mental health is not as convincingly documented as its efficacy in pain management is.
That said, the risk to mental health would seem to outweigh any possible health benefit.
01 Sep 16
Originally posted by FMFYes, the choice is for the individual to make, though hopefully with professional advice. (And for some managing pain will understandably be the higher priority).
I would leave the choice to the person undergoing chemotherapy or suffering from glaucoma or other illnesses. The risk to mental health is not as convincingly documented as its efficacy in pain management is.
As for the risk to mental health, it is my working experience (20 + years in this field) that marijuana is a major problem, greatly underestimated. When you work with something day in and day out patterns become apparent and i've lost count of clients who's psychosis started (or can be traced back to) experimentation with cannabis or similar drugs. There are of course other causes for mental health issues (some unknown) but I am in no doubt that mind altering drugs, for some people, have long term consequences, and that symptoms which are temporary for some (racing thoughts, paranoia, hallucinations) do not abate in others, even when the drug is out of their system.
And even where marijuana isn't the cause of psychosis, it's use thereafter is much more likely to aggravate a mental health condition then be of any calming benefit.