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If justice is not universally realized, does it exist?
Originally posted by FreakyKBHIf one defines “justice” as “acting justly”—however one might further specify what that entails—then any single just act instantiates justice (or just behavior) in the world.
If justice is not universally realized, does it exist?
Originally posted by avalanchethecatThe absolute, the ideal. If any situation occurs wherein justice is excluded, can we conclude that justice itself does not exist? Akin to what rwingett is referencing, i.e., there is no such thing as perfect justice--- if justice is not perfect (enjoyed by all), can we say that it even exists?
I think you would need to specify precisely what you mean by justice.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHJustice is all in the eye of the beholder. For example, Marxists would say justice is served with Robin Hood tactics of taking from the rich.....unless it is their own wealth we are talking about. Statists would say that empowering government and minimizing corporate power leads to justice. Radical Islam would say that 9/11 was justice for America's influence in the middle east. Americans would say that the US involvement in Afghanistan is justice in response to 9/11. In short, you own perecived personal justice would tend to empower and benefit yourself and detract from your adversaries.
If justice is not universally realized, does it exist?
Originally posted by rwingettIs the golden rule perfect justice? Is it perfect justice to do unto others as you would have them do to you? It seems to me that perfect justcie does exist, however, not many adhere to it 100% of the time. In fact, God has given us an innate sense of this justice and to defy it requires intellectual gymnastics such as rationalization just so we can look in the mirror every day.
Given that there are many injustices in the world, perfect justice obviously does not exist. But there are many particular cases of justice that do exist amidst the chaos of daily life.
Originally posted by whodeySocrates:
Justice is all in the eye of the beholder. For example, Marxists would say justice is served with Robin Hood tactics of taking from the rich.....unless it is their own wealth we are talking about. Statists would say that empowering government and minimizing corporate power leads to justice. Radical Islam would say that 9/11 was justice for America's influe ...[text shortened]... an merely personal benefit. In fact, such justice comes at a very high cost to his own person.
Originally posted by whodeyI find the justice of the God of the Bible interesting.
Justice is all in the eye of the beholder. For example, Marxists would say justice is served with Robin Hood tactics of taking from the rich.....unless it is their own wealth we are talking about. Statists would say that empowering government and minimizing corporate power leads to justice. Radical Islam would say that 9/11 was justice for America's influe ...[text shortened]... an merely personal benefit. In fact, such justice comes at a very high cost to his own person.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHI for one am confused by your questions. Are you asking if "imperfect justice" is a contradictory thing, like a logically impossible thing? And you seem to think that imperfect here means "not enjoyed by all". So, is your question whether or not "justice not enjoyed by all" is logically impossible (as in, whether or not it would entail a contradiction)?
The absolute, the ideal. If any situation occurs wherein justice is excluded, can we conclude that justice itself does not exist? Akin to what rwingett is referencing, i.e., there is no such thing as perfect justice--- if justice is not perfect (enjoyed by all), can we say that it even exists?
Originally posted by whodey“Please stop doing unto me!”
Is the golden rule perfect justice? Is it perfect justice to do unto others as you would have them do to you? It seems to me that perfect justcie does exist, however, not many adhere to it 100% of the time. In fact, God has given us an innate sense of this justice and to defy it requires intellectual gymnastics such as rationalization just so we can look in the mirror every day.
Originally posted by LemonJelloI'll grant you that it is a little hard to follow. In a sense, you've touched on an element of the idea, i.e., imperfect justice, but that isn't quite the entire symphony.
I for one am confused by your questions. Are you asking if "imperfect justice" is a contradictory thing, like a logically impossible thing? And you seem to think that imperfect here means "not enjoyed by all". So, is your question whether or not "justice not enjoyed by all" is logically impossible (as in, whether or not it would entail a contradiction)?
Originally posted by FreakyKBHSpeaking for myself, I'm afraid your restatement didn't help.
I'll grant you that it is a little hard to follow. In a sense, you've touched on an element of the idea, i.e., imperfect justice, but that isn't quite the entire symphony.
Let's put it another way. Is the universe (as it concerns man) just?