Numbers 31: a happy story of sunshine and rainbows

Originally posted by stellspalfie
its the same as me not talking about the good side of hitler...........the bad side is the most important part. a being is only as good as its worst part.

no its simply an expression of your prejudice and ignorance, sad to say, woa that must be tough to hear for an all encompassing, anything goes, ultra liberal like yourself. I wonder what other redeeming qualities other than being a socialist you have?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
build your house on the San Andreas fault and then ignore repeated warnings to leave that a large earthquake ill hit and then blame the earthquake for the death of your family when the house falls down. Are you capable of rational thought?

the san andreas fault is not a sentient being. it kills indiscriminately it has no choice, there is nothing moral about who it kills. you can certainly question the logic of the parents who raise children on the fault, they play an odds game (that actually predicts its not that dangerous to live there, but that im guessing is not your point). are you saying god has no more choice in who it kills than a non sentient geological fault line??? really is that the best you can do to excuse why god murders little girls?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
no its simply an expression of your prejudice and ignorance, sad to say, woa that must be tough to hear for an all encompassing, anything goes, ultra liberal like yourself. I wonder what other redeeming qualities other than being a socialist you have?

as i have explained a being is only as good as the worst it does. i dont care how much good god has done, if he is capable of murder when he has the power to do things without murder then he is evil. if he doesnt have the capability to do solve things without murder then he is not all powerful and is lying about who he is.


edit. oh im a socialist, a nice guy and awesome at sex. 3 redeeming qualities!!!!

its also my 10th wedding anniversary today, despite our hostilities i permit you to congratulate me and my good wife.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
the san andreas fault is not a sentient being. it kills indiscriminately it has no choice, there is nothing moral about who it kills. you can certainly question the logic of the parents who raise children on the fault, they play an odds game (that actually predicts its not that dangerous to live there, but that im guessing is not your point). are you s ...[text shortened]... logical fault line??? really is that the best you can do to excuse why god murders little girls?

its not an excuse, God can do what he likes, he is the universal sovereign, and what i am saying is that parental responsibility and a failure to protect their children after repeated warnings was why those children lost their lives, i will not say it again, they took no note.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
as i have explained a being is only as good as the worst it does. i dont care how much good god has done, if he is capable of murder when he has the power to do things without murder then he is evil. if he doesnt have the capability to do solve things without murder then he is not all powerful and is lying about who he is.

then there is no point in trying to reason with you, you cannot see the good, have a pleasant evening.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
its not an excuse, God can do what he likes, he is the universal sovereign, and what i am saying is that parental responsibility and a failure to protect their children after repeated warnings was why those children lost their lives, i will not say it again, they took no note.

maybe god 'can' do what he likes.....in the same way all other dictators do what they like. it doesnt make their actions fair or just or loving or kind.

why should god kill a 5yr old??? just because the childs parents failed??? is it a childs fault that their parents failed????? should the child be murdered because of its parents failings????
the parents may not have taken note.....but thats hardly the fault of 5yr olds and below. a new born baby should not be drown because its parents were idiots.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
then there is no point in trying to reason with you, you cannot see the good, have a pleasant evening.

you havent tried to reason. simply stating that god has done good does not detract from the bad. if i give my kids an ice cream and tell them i love them, but then punch the in the face. i would look like a monster if in the court case i kept saying "but i gave them an ice cream".

And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying: “Take vengeance on the Midianites for the children of Israel. Afterward you shall be gathered to your people.” So Moses spoke to the people, saying, “Arm some of yourselves for war, and let them go against the Midianites to take vengeance for the Lord on Midian.

And they warred against the Midianites, just as the Lord commanded Moses, and they killed all the males... And the children of Israel took the women of Midian captive, with their little ones, and took as spoil all their cattle, all their flocks, and all their goods.

But Moses was angry with the officers of the army... And Moses said to them: “Have you kept all the women alive? Look, these women caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to trespass against the Lord in the incident of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the Lord. Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known a man intimately. But keep alive for yourselves all the young girls who have not known a man intimately.

(NUmbers 31:1-3, 7, 9, 14-18 NKJV)

The Lord God told Moses to take vengeance on the Midianites by warring against them. However, it was Moses that decided to kill the women and the male children after they had been taken captive.

The Instructor

Originally posted by RJHinds
[b]And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying: “Take vengeance on the Midianites for the children of Israel. Afterward you shall be gathered to your people.” So Moses spoke to the people, saying, “Arm some of yourselves for war, and let them go against the Midianites to take vengeance for the Lord on Midian.

And they warred against the Midianites, just as the ...[text shortened]... ded to kill the women and the male children after they had been taken captive.

The Instructor

god delivered swift and indiscriminate smiting to all who wronged him in the slightest of ways. he allowed their entire army to get slaughtered because one man stole some trinkets before that fight.

so i am guessing that deciding to kill all the madianites and keep the girls as slaves (rape dolls, for all you idiots who believe a master wouldn't have sex with his slave) was approved by god, otherwise there would have been a story about how moses became a crater.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
then there is no point in trying to reason with you, you cannot see the good, have a pleasant evening.

what fukin good? all the people already in the promised land were slaughtered indiscriminately at one point of another. "good" for just a group of people is the definition of evil. no evil being apart from the insane would do evil just for the lulz. he is looking to do "good" for someone or some group.

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
god delivered swift and indiscriminate smiting to all who wronged him in the slightest of ways. he allowed their entire army to get slaughtered because one man stole some trinkets before that fight.

so i am guessing that deciding to kill all the madianites and keep the girls as slaves (rape dolls, for all you idiots who believe a master wouldn't have s ...[text shortened]... ) was approved by god, otherwise there would have been a story about how moses became a crater.

Moses never entered into the promised land.

The Instructor

i must confess i knew there would surely be some to justify this atrocious act.


i expected however that the arguments would be halfheartedly, that in the end most would agree at least that "it was pretty bad mmmkay, but god must have had a greater good situation and thus saved countless lives in the future"

but no. it was a righteous act just because god did it.

to recap: an act of incredible evil, an act that would deem anyone else who does it as irredeemably evil, is labeled good just because god was the one who did it.



and that is why the whole world hates you fundies. that's why we had the inquisition and we have terrorists today.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Moses never entered into the promised land.

The Instructor

indeed he didn't, he just slaughtered everyone until they got there and people "from" the promised land.

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
what fukin good? all the people already in the promised land were slaughtered indiscriminately at one point of another. "good" for just a group of people is the definition of evil. no evil being apart from the insane would do evil just for the lulz. he is looking to do "good" for someone or some group.

You don't see any good in stopping a plague from spreading?

The Instructor

Originally posted by RJHinds
You don't see any good in stopping a plague from spreading?

The Instructor

quarantine. not napalm bombings. and no, it doesn't relate to this because the madianites were not a disease. they were simply a different culture with different customs, that the israelites deemed "evil" so as to not feel sorry about killing them all. kinda like how the americans used the excuse "the natives are a dying people, let's kill'em all and take their lands".

then again, who has time to go through the troubles of assimilating a conquered people? that is for the romans.