19 Feb 17
Originally posted by KellyJayHere's the way I see it.
Is there anything we are told to do, that causes people to be drawn to Jesus
Christ? If there is, do we spend time doing that here, or arguing other things
not nearly as important?
If Christians really do live their belief, then Christians are saved. But relative little pieces of that belief (or any belief, or, I suppose, non-belief) can be debatable (see arguable), and are worthy of discussion. No one is going to change anyone's mind here, either pro or con, so a lot of it is just getting one's panties in a bunch over nothing. But this doesn't mean we can't discuss it. It's a message board, not Judgement Day. Some keep forgetting that.
Originally posted by KellyJayDo you believe your own behaviour here, and the behaviour of Christian posters like Eladar and whodey, are guided by, and are 'works', in the service of Jesus Christ?
Is there anything we are told to do, that causes people to be drawn to Jesus
Christ? If there is, do we spend time doing that here, or arguing other things
not nearly as important?
19 Feb 17
Originally posted by SuzianneI agree with your point we will not change anyone's minds, but is it up to us to do that? I do
Here's the way I see it.
If Christians really do live their belief, then Christians are saved. But relative little pieces of that belief (or any belief, or, I suppose, non-belief) can be debatable (see arguable), and are worthy of discussion. No one is going to change anyone's mind here, either pro or con, so a lot of it is just getting one's pa ...[text shortened]... mean we can't discuss it. It's a message board, not Judgement Day. Some keep forgetting that.
realize if I do manage to talk someone into something, doesn't that mean another can also
talk them out of it? Is there anything we can do?
19 Feb 17
Originally posted by KellyJayAll we can do is 'speak truth to power'.
I agree with your point we will not change anyone's minds, but is it up to us to do that? I do
realize if I do manage to talk someone into something, doesn't that mean another can also
talk them out of it? Is there anything we can do?
All advisors are for is to supply data to the decision-makers. And then, because of free will, the decision is made.
It's up to those listening to have discernment. If the data is flawed, then the decision will not likely be favorable. If they simply refuse to hear, then it's on them. Either way, the decision is theirs. Adults are not children and should not be treated as such.
19 Feb 17
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Originally posted by SuzianneNo, I think we can speak the power of truth. Didn't Jesus say if we lift Him up, He will do
All we can do is 'speak truth to power'.
All advisors are for is to supply data to the decision-makers. And then, because of free will, the decision is made.
It's up to those listening to have discernment. If the data is flawed, then the decision will not likely be favorable. If they simply refuse to hear, then it's on them. Either way, the decision is theirs. Adults are not children and should not be treated as such.
something quite beyond us? It was in the context of his dying on the cross and resurrection.
19 Feb 17
Originally posted by KellyJayToo many conflagulating confabulations, and not enough understanding of the meaning of life.
Is there anything we are told to do, that causes people to be drawn to Jesus
Christ? If there is, do we spend time doing that here, or arguing other things
not nearly as important?
People say they want to know the truth out of one side of their mouth, and out of the other they say there isn't any absolute truth. They claim to know we're the products of conditioning, as though that's all there is about who and what we are, while disregarding the hope of eternal life by relegating spirituality to myths and fables.
They spin and toil to the end, "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."
19 Feb 17
Originally posted by KellyJayBut it is still up to us to 'buy into' that and accept it. Some will, some won't. But we cannot just give 'lip service' to free will. If they decide to not follow Him, then all we can do is as Luke 9:5 says. It's their choice.
No, I think we can speak the power of truth. Didn't Jesus say if we lift Him up, He will do
something quite beyond us? It was in the context of his dying on the cross and resurrection.
19 Feb 17
Originally posted by josephwI firmly believe only God can reveal Himself to anyone, we can describe Him to another. it
Too many conflagulating confabulations, and not enough understanding of the meaning of life.
People say they want to know the truth out of one side of their mouth, and out of the other they say there isn't any absolute truth. They claim to know we're the products of conditioning, as though that's all there is about who and what we are, while disregarding ...[text shortened]... spin and toil to the end, "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."
takes God to open eyes and ears, That shifting sand is a horrible thing, can you imagine
what that is going to be like for so many at the end? Spent their whole life looking for and
never discovering the truth, but they were learning, so they thought they were on to
something.