Originally posted by robbie carrobieIt's not an analogy. Painful cancer is a direct consequence of what one man supposedly did in some make believe fairytale garden. And your god chooses to let that happen.
He provided the propitiatory sacrifice of Jesus Christ so that anyone wishing can once again come into an approved relationship so that what was fortified by Adam would have no lasting consequences.
As for your analogy yes sickness happens but for the Christian it has no lasting impact because God has furnishes us with the hope of the resurrection.
Your lack of morality stinks.
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Originally posted by Great King RatHardly! my God Jehovah the father of the celestial lights in awesome, he provided his only-begotten son, the Christ to undo all the effects of inherited imperfection and furnish us with a guarantee of what is to come in the earthly paradise that he has promised, no more sickness, death, pain or sorrow! He did not have to but he wanted to because he loves us! There is nothing immoral about it, it was the greatest act of love ever, than you fail to appreciate it is what stinks of immorality!
It's not an analogy. Painful cancer is a direct consequence of what one man supposedly did in some make believe fairytale garden. And your god chooses to let that happen.
Your lack of morality stinks.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIt makes you wonder how an omnipotent god could've got it wrong at all?!
Hardly! my God Jehovah the father of the celestial lights in awesome, he provided his only-begotten son, the Christ to undo all the effects of inherited imperfection and furnish us with a guarantee of what is to come in the earthly paradise that he has promised, no more sickness, death, pain or sorrow! He did not have to but he wanted to because he ...[text shortened]... was the greatest act of love ever, than you fail to appreciate it is what stinks of immorality!
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-Removed-Your question makes absolutely no sense to me because we have no concept of being in a state of salvation. Salvation is a gift that is yet to be bestowed upon those who remain faithful to the Christ. As the example of Judas Iscariot demonstrates its possible to be even an apostle of Christ and lose the prospect of salvation.
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-Removed-its not even entirely clear what the verse you have cited purports to say and of course taking any verse out of context and attempting to use it to prove a point is rather typical of those who are interested in advocating a particular perspective, usually their own. I see it all the time with the trinity, people are quite quick to post verses which they say support it but strangely never refer to those which dont.
In fact Rajk posted a verse which on an initial reading refutes the idea entirely for it demonstrates that those who were once Christians fall away to such an extent that its impossible to revive them.
(Hebrews 6:4-6) For it is impossible as regards those who have once for all been enlightened, and who have tasted the heavenly free gift, and who have become partakers of holy spirit, and who have tasted the fine word of God and powers of the coming system of things, but who have fallen away, to revive them again to repentance, because they impale the Son of God afresh for themselves and expose him to public shame.
so we are left with a dilemma, either the verse that you cite doesn't say what you want it to say or the verse rajk cited doesn't say what he says it does.
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-Removed-Whether you think its hypocritical has absolutely no relevance to anything, its our understanding of scripture, all seven million of us, your opinion is meaningless to anyone but you. We have looked at scripture extensively and come to the conclusion that blood is sacred, you need not acquiesce with the view and no one is forcing you to accept it.
Whether you think its clear is also irrelevant, there are others verses which contradict what you say it says, regardless of how clearly you say it says it.
I have not said you are a trinitarian, what I have actually said is that its not clear what the verse you cited says and that there are verses which seem to refute what you say it says, which we must assume is a guarantee of salvation. Perhaps you might like to address those verses rather than introduce irrelevancies.
Here it is again:
(Hebrews 6:4-6) For it is impossible as regards those who have once for all been enlightened, and who have tasted the heavenly free gift, and who have become partakers of holy spirit, and who have tasted the fine word of God and powers of the coming system of things, but who have fallen away, to revive them again to repentance, because they impale the Son of God afresh for themselves and expose him to public shame.