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Originally posted by RJHindshttp://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2013/07/28/frazz_comic_strip_science_brings_you_to_the_wonder.html
It is difficult for me to understand how so many people see the beauty and wonders of nature, yet they can't see any intelligent design in any of it.
The Instructor
Originally posted by checkbaiterThe universe doesn't work 'by chance' it works via the laws of physics, some of which do appear to include randomness (chance). Any set of laws results in patterns. So you are correct to be befuddled if you think the patterns we see are the the result of pure chance. They are in fact the result of laws. There is no reason to think that intelligence is involved as simple laws is more than sufficient to explain the patterns observed.
It befuddles me too...to think it happened by chance?
Originally posted by twhitehead
The universe doesn't work 'by chance' it works via the laws of physics, some of which do appear to include randomness (chance). Any set of laws results in patterns. So you are correct to be befuddled if you think the patterns we see are the the result of pure chance. They are in fact the result of laws. There is no reason to think that intelligence is involved as simple laws is more than sufficient to explain the patterns observed.
They are in fact the result of laws. There is no reason to think that intelligence is involved as simple laws is more than sufficient to explain the patterns observed.
Originally posted by kd2aczI have no reason to believe so. I think they are brute facts.
Are the laws made/created?
Originally posted by checkbaiterPretty pictures, pretty music, spoiled by the phrases, "...so that people are without excuse" and at the end,"...so great is His love for those who revere Him."
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Originally posted by twhiteheadSo you are simply replacing God with physical laws as brute facts that had no beginning or cause. So You believe that physical laws have always existed even before there was anything physical to control? That sounds to me to be a religious belief based on faith just like theism.
I have no reason to believe so. I think they are brute facts.
[b]Are physical laws likewise similar in that they are 'created' by a governing body/bodies by which we must live, or do you supposed them to be by chance?
Why is 'by chance' the only other option? What does it even mean for laws to be created 'by chance'?
And if the laws are created ...[text shortened]... serting any form of intelligence between the required brute facts and the laws of physics.[/b]
Originally posted by RJHindsNo, I am not replacing God. I am saying that brute facts are a necessary reality whether or not God exists. If God exists then he too must be subject to some brute fact laws that generate him and his existence.
So you are simply replacing God with physical laws as brute facts that had no beginning or cause.
Originally posted by kd2aczDo you think the commutative law of addition was created by someone?|They are in fact the result of laws. There is no reason to think that intelligence is involved as simple laws is more than sufficient to explain the patterns observed.
Are the laws made/created? What I mean is this... in America we have laws that are made by federal, state and local governments by which we must live, governing bodies if you ...[text shortened]... d' by a governing body/bodies by which we must live, or do you supposed them to be by chance?
Originally posted by twhiteheadSo are you now excepting God as the creator and as the brute fact that brought the universe into existence? It seems that you do not understand the concept of God, if you think God needs brute fact laws to generate Him into existence. God is eternal, without beginning or ending, so He does not need any type of laws to bring Him into existence.
No, I am not replacing God. I am saying that brute facts are a necessary reality whether or not God exists. If God exists then he too must be subject to some brute fact laws that generate him and his existence.
[b]So You believe that physical laws have always existed even before there was anything physical to control?
I believe some brute facts ar r forgetful, I will help you find the wikipedia page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biogenesis[/b]
Originally posted by RJHindsThere was a time when bacteria were unknown.
There are no known exceptions to the Law of Biogenesis. Perhaps you can imagine one, but I doubt it would make sense or have any possiblity of being true.
The Instructor