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Originally posted by @sonshipIt isn't a criticism, for one.
Isn't this the shortsighted criticism that naively thinks the Bible only talks about thunder, lightening, and natural events?
Originally posted by @fmfChristians believe in the God of the Bible no?
You're asking me "for which God" Christians here at RHP think creation is the most compelling evidence of?
FMF: Just about every Christian here at RHP has surely stated at one point or another, if not repeatedly, that the most compelling evidence of God's existence is creation itself. I assumed you had done so too.The Christian one. Did you not read the post you were replying to?
Originally posted by @dj2becker
Evidence for which God?
Originally posted by @fmfCreation could be evidence for any God if the Bible is out of the picture.
The Christian one. Did you not read the post you were replying to?
Originally posted by @dj2beckerIf you dispute what I said about what Christians consider to be compelling evidence of "God" a couple of pages back in direct answer to your question, you should just say so. The fact that anyone can believe whatever they want with regard to there being a supernatural cause to "creation" doesn't affect what I said.
Creation could be evidence for any God if the Bible is out of the picture.
Originally posted by @fmfYour statement was in response, to my question, “If the Bible isn’t evidence, what is?”
If you dispute what I said about what Christians consider to be compelling evidence of "God" a couple of pages back in direct answer to your question, you should just say so. The fact that anyone can believe whatever they want with regard to there being a supernatural cause to "creation" doesn't affect what I said.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerYou seem to be conceding that "creation" is not compelling evidence specifically for your own god figure. Do you then believe that it is compelling evidence [even if you might personally discount it for your own partisan reasons] of any and all 'creator' gods in the hands of those gods' followers?
Your statement was in response, to my question, “If the Bible isn’t evidence, what is?”
The point I am making is that without the Bible, ‘creation’ could be attributed to any random God and is therefore not specifically evidence for the Christian God on its own.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerIt's still not clear whether you dispute that Christians consider "creation" to be compelling evidence of "God".
Your statement was in response, to my question, “If the Bible isn’t evidence, what is?”
Originally posted by @fmfThe question should be would they even be Christians to start with if they didn’t have the Bible. Obviously Christians that do have the Bible’s account of creation do regard creation as evidence but that doesn’t mean they would do so without the Bible.
It's still not clear whether you dispute that Christians consider "creation" to be compelling evidence of "God".
Originally posted by @dj2beckerYes, but my question was whether you dispute that Christians consider "creation" to be compelling evidence of "God".
The question should be... blah blah.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerDon't misunderstand me. I don't really care whether or not you believe that the Bible is evidence that your god figure exists.
The question should be would they even be Christians to start with if they didn’t have the Bible. Obviously Christians that do have the Bible’s account of creation do regard creation as evidence but that doesn’t mean they would do so without the Bible.
Originally posted by @fmfNo I don’t dispute that Christians who have the Biblical account of creation consider creation as evidence for the God of the Bible.
Yes, but my question was whether you dispute that Christians consider "creation" to be compelling evidence of "God".
Originally posted by @fmfWell I’m not surprised. There are quite a few things you don’t seem to care about.
Don't misunderstand me. I don't really care whether or not you believe that the Bible is evidence that your god figure exists.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerThat's a flippant answer, surely, to the non-believer perspective that I am offering. It's saying that if you want to believe that the Bible is evidence that your god figure exists then that's fine by me. It's saying that you are entitled to make that claim. It's a pity that your reaction is a cheap and surly one.
Well I’m not surprised. There are quite a few things you don’t seem to care about.