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I have not made any claims. You made a claim, I asked you some questions that so have dodged with the agility of a ballet dancer.


Originally posted by @bigdoggproblem
Say a voice spoke to me: "I am God. You were wrong to doubt me." And then a huge hand comes out of the sky and parts the Atlantic Ocean.

That would be pretty strong evidence, to me.
If you remembered that happening yesterday, what would you think?
a. There is a god.
or
b. What the hell was I smoking?



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The questions you dodged have nothing to do with your personal faith but rather with what you would regard as evidence. Here they are again:

If the Bible isn’t evidence, what is? Or do you believe there is none?

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Originally posted by @wolfgang59
If you remembered that happening yesterday, what would you think?
a. There is a god.
or
b. What the hell was I smoking?
Probably b) at first. I'd want to get some external confirmation that it really happened. As I said previously, if such a thing really happened, lots of people should have seen it.

Say it did, in fact, happen. I think that would be a clearer memory than a dream, or other ingested recreational substance, could provide.

Say it stays parted for 100 years and people build cities on what was formerly the ocean floor. Now the crazy people are the ones who say it DIDN'T part. The only thing left to argue is HOW it parted.


FMF: Just about every Christian here at RHP has surely stated at one point or another, if not repeatedly, that the most compelling evidence of God's existence is creation itself. I assumed you had done so too.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Evidence for which God?
You're asking me "for which God" Christians here at RHP think creation is the most compelling evidence of?


Originally posted by @bigdoggproblem
There are about a million stories of human beings getting restless and veering from their original purpose.
There are not that many which were preceded by such a dramatic manifestation of God directly intervening in the world.

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Originally posted by @sonship
There are not that many which were preceded by such a dramatic manifestation of God directly intervening in the world.
Some think there have been none of those.

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Originally posted by @js357
Some think there have been none of those.
Yes.

I also think that the existence of the Jews as a people is contributing evidence of the veracity of the Bible's claims.

I'm biased though. Since I met Jesus the Lord I have learned to want to believe in God.

There, I admitted it.

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Of course as soon as you find a question to be too probing you can label it as irrelevant and ignore it. Do you believe there is any evidence for the God portrayed in the Bible? Yes or No?

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Originally posted by @sonship
There are not that many which were preceded by such a dramatic manifestation of God directly intervening in the world.
"God" in those stories is a metaphor for powerful occurrences that primitive people could not understand.

That's my interpretation.

They need not be the same. If you feel the Bible truly is a "living" word, then let it speak in a unique way to each individual.

Arguing over interpretations is amusing, but suffers from the same futility as arguing over which musical group is the best ever. Everyone ultimately gives a different answer.


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Yet another dodge. Do you believe there is any evidence for the God portrayed in the Bible? Yes or No?

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Originally posted by @bigdoggproblem
"God" in those stories is a metaphor for powerful occurrences that primitive people could not understand.


Isn't this the shortsighted criticism that naively thinks the Bible only talks about thunder, lightening, and natural events?

Jesus pointed out the the "primitive people" at His time had at least the sophistication to interpret evidences of weather changes.

"But He answered and said to them, When evening falls, you say, There will be fair weather, for the sky is red;

And in the morning, It will be stormy today, for the sky is red and gloomy. The face of the sky you know how to discern, but you cannot discern the signs of the times." (Matt. 16:2,3)


They knew how to interpret powerful occurrences in the atmosphere Okay. So your broad stroke brush naively covers too much. There is plenty other things in the Bible besides powerful natural occurrences of things.