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  1. Subscriber BigDoggProblem
    The Advanced Mind
    30 Nov '17 21:16
    ...but yours IS fallible, so excuse me if I don't take your word for it.

    This isn't a mere snark...it's a serious question. How can a being with (often self-admittedly) fallible judgment verify that another's judgment is INfallible?

    Wouldn't a more reasonable claim be "I have never known being X to have made a wrong judgment."?
  2. 30 Nov '17 22:10
    Originally posted by @bigdoggproblem
    ...but yours IS fallible, so excuse me if I don't take your word for it.

    This isn't a mere snark...it's a serious question. How can a being with (often self-admittedly) fallible judgment verify that another's judgment is INfallible?

    Wouldn't a more reasonable claim be "I have never known being X to have made a wrong judgment."?
    It’s all based on someone else’s words written in a book.


    Ps I’m a believer but that doesn’t exclude me from speaking my mind
  3. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    01 Dec '17 00:48
    Originally posted by @bigdoggproblem
    ...but yours IS fallible, so excuse me if I don't take your word for it.

    This isn't a mere snark...it's a serious question. How can a being with (often self-admittedly) fallible judgment verify that another's judgment is INfallible?

    Wouldn't a more reasonable claim be "I have never known being X to have made a wrong judgment."?
    Genesis 6:5-7
    The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the Lord was sorry that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. So the Lord said, "I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the ground, man and beast and creeping things and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have mad them."


    He's sorry he did it. Sounds like a case of bad judgement to me.
  4. Subscriber BigDoggProblem
    The Advanced Mind
    01 Dec '17 01:15
    Originally posted by @divegeester
    It’s all based on someone else’s words written in a book.


    Ps I’m a believer but that doesn’t exclude me from speaking my mind
    The book has the same problem. Fallible people wrote it.

    Also, even if a believer thinks that there are no recorded cases of divine bad judgment in a holy book, how do they know there were never divine errors outside of the events of the book?
  5. Subscriber BigDoggProblem
    The Advanced Mind
    01 Dec '17 01:18
    Originally posted by @rwingett
    Genesis 6:5-7
    The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the Lord was sorry that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. So the Lord said, "I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the ground, man and b ...[text shortened]... at I have mad them."


    He's sorry he did it. Sounds like a case of bad judgement to me.
    It sound that way to me, too. I bet a believer will explain this away using translational gymnastics or similar.
  6. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    01 Dec '17 03:35
    Are most god figures in most religions "infallible"?
  7. Standard member wolfgang59
    Infidel
    01 Dec '17 04:06
    Originally posted by @fmf
    Are most god figures in most religions "infallible"?
    The Greek gods all had human weaknesses - none were infallible.
  8. Standard member sonship
    the corrected one.
    01 Dec '17 06:52
    The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the Lord was sorry that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. So the Lord said, "I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the ground, man and b ...[text shortened]... at I have mad them."


    God was emotionally unhappy and sorry and grieved at the way things turned out with His creation man - with his free will.

    Upon this elementary backround we can understand the central event in all time and in all the universe - the redeeming death of Christ on His cross.

    I see little problem with the passage. It is simply leading us along the way of seeing Christ incarnated, lived, died and rose needing to rectify a situation that God is grieved about, man falling into sin and rebellion against his Creator.

    It matters that God is grieved about you and I.
    It matters that in His eternal wisdom He has a plan of salvation even from the foundation of the world.

    " ... the Lamb who was slain from the foundation of the world." (Rev. 13:8b)
  9. Standard member sonship
    the corrected one.
    01 Dec '17 07:03 / 4 edits
    The symbol of a sea of glass mingled with fire in Revelation means, I believe, that we eventually will see crystal clearly with no such obscurity or ambiguity, that God's judgment is absolutely infallible and righteous.

    Everything under Gods judgement by then the will be transparently clear as crystal glass. The saved stand upon the shore of this glassy sea just as the rescued Israelites stood safely on the shore of the Red Sea after it had totally swallowed the pursuing armies of pharoah.

    Think of this when you read about the saved standing upon a sea of glass mingled with fire, which is the lake of fire of eternal judgment.

    " And I saw as it were a glassy sea mingled with fire and those who come away victorious from the beast [the Antichrist] and from his image and from the number of his name standing on the glassy sea, having harps of God.

    And they sing the song of Moses, the slave of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying,

    Great and wonderful are your works, Lord God the Almighty! Righteous and true are Your ways, O King of the nations!

    Who will not fear, O Lord, and glorify Your name? You alone are holy; for all the nations will come and worship before You, for Your righteous judgments have been manifested." (Rev. 15:2-4)
  10. Subscriber KellyJay
    Walk your Faith
    01 Dec '17 08:25
    Originally posted by @rwingett
    Genesis 6:5-7
    The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the Lord was sorry that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. So the Lord said, "I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the ground, man and b ...[text shortened]... at I have mad them."


    He's sorry he did it. Sounds like a case of bad judgement to me.
    Unlike our exposure to evil where we see drips of it as we become aware of it in our lives
    God sees it all. What we do grieves Him to His heart, yet we are still here, because even
    greater than His distaste for those things we do, He loves us. His motivation of love is
    much greater, but evil is accepted as this story show us.
  11. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    01 Dec '17 10:13
    Originally posted by @kellyjay
    Unlike our exposure to evil where we see drips of it as we become aware of it in our lives
    God sees it all. What we do grieves Him to His heart, yet we are still here, because even
    greater than His distaste for those things we do, He loves us. His motivation of love is
    much greater, but evil is accepted as this story show us.
    Blotting us out does not equal either acceptance or love, no matter how much you wish to construe it as such.
  12. Standard member sonship
    the corrected one.
    01 Dec '17 11:43 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by @rwingett
    Blotting us out does not equal either acceptance or love, no matter how much you wish to construe it as such.
    Rwingett, welcome back,

    You do not feel that any blotting out of sorts should take place with chronic murderers ?

    When a criminal is removed from society by the human civil court, is that not in some degree a "blotting out" of the source of the crimes ? He is removed in and "blotted out" in one degree or another.

    It would be unrighteous for God to do nothing and allow the murderers to do the only "blotting out" with their murders.
  13. Standard member sonship
    the corrected one.
    01 Dec '17 11:48 / 3 edits
    Originally posted by @rwingett
    Blotting us out does not equal either acceptance or love, no matter how much you wish to construe it as such.
    You do not HAVE to be one of the "us" judged.
    You can repent so that the "us" are those who are repented and saved.

    Besides in your cherished economic / political system of Socialism, if you are chronically greedy and exploiting the worker you too will get yourself some blotting out. And it is ok in your system then.

    If you didn't notice Joseph Stalin blotted out a few people.
  14. Subscriber KellyJay
    Walk your Faith
    01 Dec '17 12:17
    Originally posted by @rwingett
    Blotting us out does not equal either acceptance or love, no matter how much you wish to construe it as such.
    Justice will be done in full one way or another.
  15. 01 Dec '17 13:01
    Originally posted by @kellyjay
    Justice will be done in full one way or another.
    Some call it karma.