...but yours IS fallible, so excuse me if I don't take your word for it.
This isn't a mere snark...it's a serious question. How can a being with (often self-admittedly) fallible judgment verify that another's judgment is INfallible?
Wouldn't a more reasonable claim be "I have never known being X to have made a wrong judgment."?
30 Nov 17
Originally posted by @bigdoggproblemIt’s all based on someone else’s words written in a book.
...but yours IS fallible, so excuse me if I don't take your word for it.
This isn't a mere snark...it's a serious question. How can a being with (often self-admittedly) fallible judgment verify that another's judgment is INfallible?
Wouldn't a more reasonable claim be "I have never known being X to have made a wrong judgment."?
Ps I’m a believer but that doesn’t exclude me from speaking my mind
Originally posted by @bigdoggproblemGenesis 6:5-7
...but yours IS fallible, so excuse me if I don't take your word for it.
This isn't a mere snark...it's a serious question. How can a being with (often self-admittedly) fallible judgment verify that another's judgment is INfallible?
Wouldn't a more reasonable claim be "I have never known being X to have made a wrong judgment."?
The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the Lord was sorry that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. So the Lord said, "I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the ground, man and beast and creeping things and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have mad them."
He's sorry he did it. Sounds like a case of bad judgement to me.
01 Dec 17
Originally posted by @divegeesterThe book has the same problem. Fallible people wrote it.
It’s all based on someone else’s words written in a book.
Ps I’m a believer but that doesn’t exclude me from speaking my mind
Also, even if a believer thinks that there are no recorded cases of divine bad judgment in a holy book, how do they know there were never divine errors outside of the events of the book?
01 Dec 17
Originally posted by @rwingettIt sound that way to me, too. I bet a believer will explain this away using translational gymnastics or similar.
Genesis 6:5-7The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the Lord was sorry that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. So the Lord said, "I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the ground, man and b ...[text shortened]... at I have mad them."
He's sorry he did it. Sounds like a case of bad judgement to me.
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The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the Lord was sorry that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. So the Lord said, "I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the ground, man and b ...[text shortened]... at I have mad them."
God was emotionally unhappy and sorry and grieved at the way things turned out with His creation man - with his free will.
Upon this elementary backround we can understand the central event in all time and in all the universe - the redeeming death of Christ on His cross.
I see little problem with the passage. It is simply leading us along the way of seeing Christ incarnated, lived, died and rose needing to rectify a situation that God is grieved about, man falling into sin and rebellion against his Creator.
It matters that God is grieved about you and I.
It matters that in His eternal wisdom He has a plan of salvation even from the foundation of the world.
" ... the Lamb who was slain from the foundation of the world." (Rev. 13:8b)
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The symbol of a sea of glass mingled with fire in Revelation means, I believe, that we eventually will see crystal clearly with no such obscurity or ambiguity, that God's judgment is absolutely infallible and righteous.
Everything under Gods judgement by then the will be transparently clear as crystal glass. The saved stand upon the shore of this glassy sea just as the rescued Israelites stood safely on the shore of the Red Sea after it had totally swallowed the pursuing armies of pharoah.
Think of this when you read about the saved standing upon a sea of glass mingled with fire, which is the lake of fire of eternal judgment.
" And I saw as it were a glassy sea mingled with fire and those who come away victorious from the beast [the Antichrist] and from his image and from the number of his name standing on the glassy sea, having harps of God.
And they sing the song of Moses, the slave of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying,
Great and wonderful are your works, Lord God the Almighty! Righteous and true are Your ways, O King of the nations!
Who will not fear, O Lord, and glorify Your name? You alone are holy; for all the nations will come and worship before You, for Your righteous judgments have been manifested." (Rev. 15:2-4)
01 Dec 17
Originally posted by @rwingettUnlike our exposure to evil where we see drips of it as we become aware of it in our lives
Genesis 6:5-7The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the Lord was sorry that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. So the Lord said, "I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the ground, man and b ...[text shortened]... at I have mad them."
He's sorry he did it. Sounds like a case of bad judgement to me.
God sees it all. What we do grieves Him to His heart, yet we are still here, because even
greater than His distaste for those things we do, He loves us. His motivation of love is
much greater, but evil is accepted as this story show us.
Originally posted by @kellyjayBlotting us out does not equal either acceptance or love, no matter how much you wish to construe it as such.
Unlike our exposure to evil where we see drips of it as we become aware of it in our lives
God sees it all. What we do grieves Him to His heart, yet we are still here, because even
greater than His distaste for those things we do, He loves us. His motivation of love is
much greater, but evil is accepted as this story show us.
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Originally posted by @rwingettRwingett, welcome back,
Blotting us out does not equal either acceptance or love, no matter how much you wish to construe it as such.
You do not feel that any blotting out of sorts should take place with chronic murderers ?
When a criminal is removed from society by the human civil court, is that not in some degree a "blotting out" of the source of the crimes ? He is removed in and "blotted out" in one degree or another.
It would be unrighteous for God to do nothing and allow the murderers to do the only "blotting out" with their murders.
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Originally posted by @rwingettYou do not HAVE to be one of the "us" judged.
Blotting us out does not equal either acceptance or love, no matter how much you wish to construe it as such.
You can repent so that the "us" are those who are repented and saved.
Besides in your cherished economic / political system of Socialism, if you are chronically greedy and exploiting the worker you too will get yourself some blotting out. And it is ok in your system then.
If you didn't notice Joseph Stalin blotted out a few people.
