1. Standard memberGrampy Bobby
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    21 Mar '12 16:541 edit
    "... or doesn't the person or thing really matter?


    "Spirituality can refer to an ultimate or an alleged immaterial reality;[1] an inner path enabling a person to discover the essence of his/her being; or the “deepest values and meanings by which people live.”[2] Spiritual practices, including meditation, prayer and contemplation, are intended to develop an individual's inner life; spiritual experience includes that of connectedness with a larger reality, yielding a more comprehensive self; with other individuals or the human community; with nature or the cosmos; or with the divine realm.[3] Spirituality is often experienced as a source of inspiration or orientation in life.[4] It can encompass belief in immaterial realities or experiences of the immanent or transcendent nature of the world." -wiki

    If spirituality is an integral dimension of being a human being, isn't the object of an individual's focus (or worship) of crucial importance or doesn't the person or thing really matter?


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    21 Mar '12 17:15
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    [b]"... or doesn't the person or thing really matter?


    "Spirituality can refer to an ultimate or an alleged immaterial reality;[1] an inner path enabling a person to discover the essence of his/her being; or the “deepest values and meanings by which people live.”[2] Spiritual practices, including meditation, prayer and contemplation, are intend ...[text shortened]... (or worship) of crucial importance or doesn't the person or thing really matter?


    gb[/b]
    Spirituality isn’t an integral dimension of being a human being.
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    21 Mar '12 17:34
    Originally posted by stellspalfie
    Spirituality isn’t an integral dimension of being a human being.
    I disagree. Spirituality involves the spirit of man. If a man does not learn to use his spirit he lives a two dimensional life in a three dimensional world.

    Part of his humanity is neglected if he does not use his spirit.
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    21 Mar '12 18:31
    Originally posted by stellspalfie
    Spirituality isn’t an integral dimension of being a human being.
    What then are the integral dimensions of a human being?
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    21 Mar '12 21:03
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    What then are the integral dimensions of a human being?
    length, breadth, height

    hope this helps πŸ™‚
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    21 Mar '12 21:42
    Originally posted by jaywill
    I disagree. Spirituality involves the spirit of man. If a man does not learn to use his spirit he lives a two dimensional life in a three dimensional world.

    Part of his humanity is neglected if he does not use his spirit.
    even if you are correct and there is a real spiritual side to the universe (and i dont) it still doesnt make it 'integral' does it. are all of the human senses 'integral' to being human? no! so if im missing one of the '3rd dimension' as you say it doesnt mean that it is 'integral' to me. to say something is 'integral' to being human is to suggest without it you are not human.
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    21 Mar '12 21:44
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    What then are the integral dimensions of a human being?
    the correct dna is what makes a human.
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    21 Mar '12 23:331 edit
    Originally posted by stellspalfie
    even if you are correct and there is a real spiritual side to the universe (and i dont) it still doesnt make it 'integral' does it. are all of the human senses 'integral' to being human? no! so if im missing one of the '3rd dimension' as you say it doesnt mean that it is 'integral' to me. to say something is 'integral' to being human is to suggest without it you are not human.
    even if you are correct and there is a real spiritual side to the universe (and i dont) it still doesnt make it 'integral' does it. are all of the human senses 'integral' to being human? no! so if im missing one of the '3rd dimension' as you say it doesnt mean that it is 'integral' to me. to say something is 'integral' to being human is to suggest without it you are not human.



    I still disagree there. It sounds like you would argue over the definition of 'integral'.

    Of course are human spirit damaged, comatose, or not functioning, or under the suppression of the rest of man's soul or body does not render the man "unhuman".

    I agree with that. But does render the man lacking a very important component of his created being.

    Having said that it is my belief that the conscience is part of the human spirit. So even the man who is not born again DOES have or should have a functioning conscience. This would indicate to me that the damaged human spirit in fallen man is not totally inoperative.

    So a completely and totally unfunctioning spirit would be a terrible thing. I would expect such a man to act like Hitler or Charles Manson or one of the Conquistadors.
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    21 Mar '12 23:51
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    [b]"... or doesn't the person or thing really matter?


    "Spirituality can refer to an ultimate or an alleged immaterial reality;[1] an inner path enabling a person to discover the essence of his/her being; or the “deepest values and meanings by which people live.”[2] Spiritual practices, including meditation, prayer and contemplation, are intend ...[text shortened]... (or worship) of crucial importance or doesn't the person or thing really matter?


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    When are you going to bring up the hard fist of reality?
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    22 Mar '12 00:00
    Originally posted by jaywill
    I disagree. Spirituality involves the spirit of man. If a man does not learn to use his spirit he lives a two dimensional life in a three dimensional world.

    Part of his humanity is neglected if he does not use his spirit.
    This I agree with.
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    22 Mar '12 01:59
    Originally posted by Agerg
    length, breadth, height

    hope this helps πŸ™‚
    + "life force" πŸ˜‰
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    22 Mar '12 10:37
    Originally posted by jaywill
    [quote] even if you are correct and there is a real spiritual side to the universe (and i dont) it still doesnt make it 'integral' does it. are all of the human senses 'integral' to being human? no! so if im missing one of the '3rd dimension' as you say it doesnt mean that it is 'integral' to me. to say something is 'integral' to being human is to suggest w ...[text shortened]... pect such a man to act like Hitler or Charles Manson or one of the Conquistadors.
    from a christians point of view are all humans born with a clean, 100% functioning spirit? is it the choices we make that reduce its functionality?
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    22 Mar '12 10:45
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    [b]"... or doesn't the person or thing really matter?


    "Spirituality can refer to an ultimate or an alleged immaterial reality;[1] an inner path enabling a person to discover the essence of his/her being; or the “deepest values and meanings by which people live.”[2] Spiritual practices, including meditation, prayer and contemplation, are intend ...[text shortened]... (or worship) of crucial importance or doesn't the person or thing really matter?


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    Methinks nothing is more “integral” than BodyMind (BodyMind lacks of inherent being).

    Our theist friends argue repeatedly that the soul (the spirit, the mind) tastes pain and pleasure, courage and fear and that it also perceives reality, as if it were self-existent, as if it had inherent being and as if it were the prime element. However, arguing that “mind is furious” is like arguing that “mind builds houses”. In fact, the mind does not taste (perceive) reality; the human being perceives (tastes) reality through her/ his sixth sense, through her/ his mind, that is. The main subject of the motion (of the process of "tasting" reality by means of perceiving and triggering events) of the human being is not her/ his mind but her/ his BodyMind
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    22 Mar '12 11:34
    Originally posted by black beetle
    Methinks nothing is more “integral” than BodyMind (BodyMind lacks of inherent being).

    Our theist friends argue repeatedly that the soul (the spirit, the mind) tastes pain and pleasure, courage and fear and that it also perceives reality, as if it were self-existent, as if it had inherent being and as if it were the prime element. However, arguing tha ...[text shortened]... iving and triggering events) of the human being is not her/ his mind but her/ his BodyMind
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    Ah my trusty feer, when the impudent Henry de Bohun, nephew of the Earl of Hereford,
    caught site of Bruce on his small horse and charged towards him in full battle regalia,
    did he not taste reality when the King stood upon his stirrups and cleaved him through
    with naught but a battle axe πŸ˜‰
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    22 Mar '12 12:43
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    Ah my trusty feer, when the impudent Henry de Bohun, nephew of the Earl of Hereford,
    caught site of Bruce on his small horse and charged towards him in full battle regalia,
    did he not taste reality when the King stood upon his stirrups and cleaved him through
    with naught but a battle axe πŸ˜‰
    He tasted it, my trusty feer, through his bodymind😡
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