18 Nov 06
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesThe Catholic Church (especially) would seem to be locked into the propostion that embryos are sinful, since they contend that life starts at conception.
It is said that people are born with original sin. Is this precise?
Is original sin something that is conferred at birth or conception? Are human embryos sinful?
I'm assuming the unstated question here is 'why is abortion so frowned upon if embryos are inherently sinful?'
18 Nov 06
Originally posted by rwingettYes, quite strange that they would promote the bringing of more evil into the world so vehemently.
The Catholic Church (especially) would seem to be locked into the propostion that embryos are sinful, since they contend that life starts at conception.
I'm assuming the unstated question here is 'why is abortion so frowned upon if embryos are inherently sinful?'
18 Nov 06
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Originally posted by DoctorScribblesFrom a Christian perspective all are born with a "sin nature". However, there is an age of accountability that one is responsible for addressing this sinful nature. Thus children that have not reached this age of accountability are not held accountable for this sin nature. I would even contend that adults who are not mentally capable of being accountable also would fall into this category.
It is said that people are born with original sin. Is this precise?
Is original sin something that is conferred at birth or conception? Are human embryos sinful?
When talking about "sin" it would behoove one to define what sin is. Do you believe in sin and how do you define it if you do? Also, if you do believe in sin do you know anyone who has escaped its grasp?
18 Nov 06
Originally posted by whodeyAre they born with it or conceived with it?
From a Christian perspective all are born with a "sin nature". However, there is an age of accountability that one is responsible for addressing this sinful nature. Thus children that have not reached this age of accountability are not held accountable for this sin nature. I would even contend that adults who are not mentally capable of being accountable a ...[text shortened]... it if you do? Also, if you do believe in sin do you know anyone who has escaped its grasp?
18 Nov 06
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesIf I were a proponent of Catholic doctrine, I would proceed as follows.
It is said that people are born with original sin. Is this precise?
Is original sin something that is conferred at birth or conception? Are human embryos sinful?
One should distinguish between the predisposition to sin and the act of sinning itself. Embryos, like babies, possess the predisposition to sin (= are burdened with original sin), but do not yet act sinfully (= cannot yet be properly characterized as "sinful"😉. Their predisposition to sin has yet to express itself in sinful acts.
Moreover, original sin is not conferred; it is instrinsic to human nature.
18 Nov 06
Originally posted by FreakyKBHAnd there I was thinking that men's sperm were good and the women's eggs were evil!
The sin nature resides in the cell structure, passed on through the genetic contribution from the male. The chromosomes that the woman passes on are free of the sin nature via the reproduction process.
There was an entire thread dedicated to this line of thought previously.
So, how do you know which is good and which evil?
18 Nov 06
Originally posted by whodeyIronically, by your criteria, the severly retarded and demented would be sin free.
From a Christian perspective all are born with a "sin nature". However, there is an age of accountability that one is responsible for addressing this sinful nature. Thus children that have not reached this age of accountability are not held accountable for this sin nature. I would even contend that adults who are not mentally capable of being accountable a ...[text shortened]... it if you do? Also, if you do believe in sin do you know anyone who has escaped its grasp?
18 Nov 06
Originally posted by whodeyIf children are not accountable for their 'sin nature', then why did the Lord drown so many of them in the great genocidal flood? Why did he slay the first-born of Egypt?
From a Christian perspective all are born with a "sin nature". However, there is an age of accountability that one is responsible for addressing this sinful nature. Thus children that have not reached this age of accountability are not held accountable for this sin nature. I would even contend that adults who are not mentally capable of being accountable a ...[text shortened]... it if you do? Also, if you do believe in sin do you know anyone who has escaped its grasp?
18 Nov 06
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Originally posted by whodeyI think we talked about that before, there is no prove in the Bible that we born sinful, or we inherit the original sin. Actually the original sin is not mentioned in the Bible.
From a Christian perspective all are born with a "sin nature". However, there is an age of accountability that one is responsible for addressing this sinful nature. Thus children that have not reached this age of accountability are not held accountable for this sin nature. I would even contend that adults who are not mentally capable of being accountable a it if you do? Also, if you do believe in sin do you know anyone who has escaped its grasp?
So if this is the case why should we belive such a belive. I think it is a human made one.
Jesus didn't mention it as part of his tenets. It is not there in the Old Tastement, and GOD already punished Adam and Eve for it.
18 Nov 06
Originally posted by ahosyneyWait, Adam and Eve got evicted for our sins?
I think we talked about that before, there is no prove in the Bible that we born sinful, or we inherit the original sin. Actually the original sin is not mentioned in the Bible.
So if this is the case why should we belive such a belive. I think it is a human made one.
Jesus didn't mention it as part of his tenets. It is not there in the Old Tastement, and GOD already punished Adam and Eve for it.
18 Nov 06
Originally posted by FreakyKBHI love when you use scientific terms for non-scientific things. It makes you sound authoritative.
The sin nature resides in the cell structure, passed on through the genetic contribution from the male. The chromosomes that the woman passes on are free of the sin nature via the reproduction process.
Unless they've isolated the 'sin nature' organelle, protein, or gene (or does it reside in the protoplasm)...
Nemesio
18 Nov 06
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesHow do you define the word, "original" seems strait forward to me.
It is said that people are born with original sin. Is this precise?
Is original sin something that is conferred at birth or conception? Are human embryos sinful?
Our nature was corrupted then, we can be to be selfish in the face
of things that tell us that is wrong, things we even acknowledge as
true.
Kelly