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Oh please don't ever stop posting, Geester!
I'm rolling on the floor laughing!

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@rajk999 said
Ok so their view is wrong, but I will take an active role in openly condemning those views. I think it is the Christlike way. Passively allowing false doctrines is tantamount to supporting them in my view. Christ would not support sitting on the sidelines and saying that it is ok. I dont think so.

I promote the teachings of Christ. The Apostles' doctrine is twisted out of ...[text shortened]... y walk away from there with good works and righteousness as your sole aim for the rest of your life.
Do you believe an atheistic view is wrong? I don’t see you taking any of them on.

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@caljust said
@Rajk999
OK so their view is wrong, but I will take an active role in openly condemning those views. I think it is the Christlike way.


Pretty much like voting, isn't it? I will defend everybody's right to vote, but I may not agree with them.

But then, if I feel strongly enough about something, I may enter politics and try to convince those that disagre ...[text shortened]... nd Peter told people who asked them the same question - their response was that they should believe.
Jesus picked one main battleground on which he faced his detractors, and that was on the issue of hypocrisy. He saved his harshest condemnations for the pharisees.

Matthew 23
27“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which on the outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness. 28“So you, too, outwardly appear righteous to men, but inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.
25“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and of the dish, but inside they are full of robbery and self-indulgence. 26“You blind Pharisee, first clean the inside of the cup and of the dish, so that the outside of it may become clean also.
13“But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you shut off the kingdom of heaven from people; for you do not enter in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.

See if you can understand what Jesus is saying above. Particularly the parts in bold.

For all intents and purposes, there is little to choose between what Jesus describes above and those whom Rajk999 rails against: "mouth worshipers".

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“Our maturity will be judged by how well we are able to agree to disagree and yet continue to love one another, to care for one another, and cherish one another and seek the greater good of the other.” ― Desmond Tutu

Our maturity and perhaps our peace as well? I think in order to achieve peace in earth, each must know that peace within themselves, regardless of religious view or opinion.

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@dj2becker said
Do you believe an atheistic view is wrong? I don’t see you taking any of them on.
Are you saying that I should argue with a man who has no opinion on bible matters particularly about what I am interested in, namely what Jesus preached about the Kingdom of God?

Anyway Paul deals with those without law in Romans 2

For there is no respect of persons with God. For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another😉 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.(Romans 2:11-16 KJV)

Good and evil is written in the heart of man. God will judge all people.

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@caljust said
@Rajk999
OK so their view is wrong, but I will take an active role in openly condemning those views. I think it is the Christlike way.


Pretty much like voting, isn't it? I will defend everybody's right to vote, but I may not agree with them.

But then, if I feel strongly enough about something, I may enter politics and try to convince those that disagre ...[text shortened]... nd Peter told people who asked them the same question - their response was that they should believe.
Do you think I argue about everything? I pick my battles and I have stated more than once I have one interest here ie to speak against the teachings of the church regarding what it takes to enter the Kingdom of God. The church teaching is contrary to what Christ and the Apostles preached. Most of the time I repeat what Jesus said and many church Christians ridicule me for that referring to me and what I say in derogatory language. Clearly they do not have the mind of Christ.

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@hakima said
“Our maturity will be judged by how well we are able to agree to disagree and yet continue to love one another, to care for one another, and cherish one another and seek the greater good of the other.” ― Desmond Tutu

Our maturity and perhaps our peace as well? I think in order to achieve peace in earth, each must know that peace within themselves, regardless of religious view or opinion.
Thanks Hakima. Good to see that you are still around.

Desmond Tutu is one of my favourute spiritual teachers. Did you read his book on Joy co-authored by the Dalai Lama? Precious and practical.

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@rajk999 said
Do you think I argue about everything? I pick my battles and I have stated more than once I have one interest here ie to speak against the teachings of the church regarding what it takes to enter the Kingdom of God. The church teaching is contrary to what Christ and the Apostles preached. Most of the time I repeat what Jesus said and many church Christians ridicule me for t ...[text shortened]... referring to me and what I say in derogatory language. Clearly they do not have the mind of Christ.
No, I don’t think you argue about everything, that was meant as a general statement, merely responding to your comment about “sitting on the sidelines”. Some issues are just not worth fighting about.

Reading your posts I know that you have one main area of concern, which is faith versus works. I have to admit that there are strongly supportive verses in the Bible for both points of view, hence the debate. (If it was crystal clear, there would not be a problem).

Personally, I take James’ position: faith without works is dead, but then works alone are merely effort. So (again, in my pov) the Benedictines had it correct: Ora et Labora, which is Pray and Work. Both are important.

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@rajk999 said
Do you think I argue about everything? I pick my battles and I have stated more than once I have one interest here ie to speak against the teachings of the church regarding what it takes to enter the Kingdom of God. The church teaching is contrary to what Christ and the Apostles preached. Most of the time I repeat what Jesus said and many church Christians ridicule me for t ...[text shortened]... referring to me and what I say in derogatory language. Clearly they do not have the mind of Christ.
Ironically you’re the only one using derogatory language here that I have seen.

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@dj2becker said
Ironically you’re the only one using derogatory language here that I have seen.
You are an idiot.

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@caljust said
No, I don’t think you argue about everything, that was meant as a general statement, merely responding to your comment about “sitting on the sidelines”. Some issues are just not worth fighting about.

Reading your posts I know that you have one main area of concern, which is faith versus works. I have to admit that there are strongly supportive verses in the Bible for both ...[text shortened]... nedictines had it correct: Ora et Labora, which is Pray and Work. Both are important.
Both are not equally important. If you were to weigh the teachings of Christ works carries far more weight. Faith is just a pledge to follow Christ and live righteously. Faith is not an end in itself. It means nothing alone. Some people are able to follow Christ without any professions of any kind. Romans 2 describes such people.

So why bother with faith and Christ then? The answer is simple. Christ came to save all people from their sins. Christ also came to gather an elect group of people who will reign with Him at some point in the future. Some Christians like sonship will claim that all Christians fall into this category. However the truth is that it is only Christians who have both faith and works will be in this group.

Faith therefore is for the Christian saints.
Faith plus works = the elect of God.
Faith alone is dead as you agreed.
Works alone will be judged by Christ as described in Matt 25.

Works can stand alone. Faith can not.

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@rajk999 said

Works can stand alone. Faith can not.
Thank you for explaining this so clearly.

I can understand how you have arrived at this conclusion.

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@rajk999 said
Both are not equally important. If you were to weigh the teachings of Christ works carries far more weight. Faith is just a pledge to follow Christ and live righteously. Faith is not an end in itself. It means nothing alone. Some people are able to follow Christ without any professions of any kind. Romans 2 describes such people.

So why bother with faith and Christ then ...[text shortened]... will be judged by Christ as described in Matt 25.

Works can stand alone. Faith can not.
As you have been told numerous times if works alone are enough there would be need for the death of Jesus on the cross. So obviously works alone are not enough.