Pence's Repentance

@secondson said
You're clueless. It doesn't work that way. That's wholesale hypocrisy.

Whose is the hypocrisy? Pence's [or some similar postponed-repentance politician's]?

@secondson said
Just the sort of thing an atheist like you might think of.

You don't think there are Christians who knowingly "sin" [according to their own terms of reference] while telling themselves they will repent, they will repent, they will repent etc.?

@secondson said
You're clueless. It doesn't work that way.

If a Christian like Mike Pence knowingly "bears false witness" for years and years because he sees it as a necessary/unavoidable part of his political activity, all along telling himself his "sin" will be absolved if he sincerely repents at a later stage in life, would that make him a "clueless" Christian, to your way of thinking?

@secondson said
You're clueless.

And you don’t know what a metaphor is and you don’t even know if you believe in eternal suffering or not.

@suzianne said
And it's exactly why Pascal's Wager does not work.

Well, I for one know that if I were convinced there is no God I wouldn't live my life as though the possibility existed I could be wrong, even though, deep inside, I couldn't know absolutely that God didn't exist.

@divegeester said
And you don’t know what a metaphor is and you don’t even know if you believe in eternal suffering or not.

And your issue is you don't know what a metaphor is for.

I know what I believe. I believe what the Bible says, and it says the lost will suffer everlasting punishment whether you like it or not.

@fmf said
If a Christian like Mike Pence knowingly "bears false witness" for years and years because he sees it as a necessary/unavoidable part of his political activity, all along telling himself his "sin" will be absolved if he sincerely repents at a later stage in life, would that make him a "clueless" Christian, to your way of thinking?

Again, how many decades did you live like a clueless Christian?

@fmf said
You don't think there are Christians who knowingly "sin" [according to their own terms of reference] while telling themselves they will repent, they will repent, they will repent etc.?

Is that what you did?

@fmf said
If a Christian like Mike Pence knowingly "bears false witness" for years and years because he sees it as a necessary/unavoidable part of his political activity, all along telling himself his "sin" will be absolved if he sincerely repents at a later stage in life, would that make him a "clueless" Christian, to your way of thinking?

Do you think it's a sin to deceive a deceiver?

@secondson said
I know what I believe. I believe what the Bible says, and it says the lost will suffer everlasting punishment whether you like it or not.

And what does "everlasting punishment" mean to you?

Does it mean being conscious souls/people being thrown 'alive' into a lake of fire where the burning suffering will be everlasting?

@secondson said
And your issue is you don't know what a metaphor is for.

Weak!

Do you really want to embarrass yourself over this again?

@secondson said
Do you think it's a sin to deceive a deceiver?

Do you think it isn't?

@secondson said
Well, I for one know that if I were convinced there is no God I wouldn't live my life as though the possibility existed I could be wrong, even though, deep inside, I couldn't know absolutely that God didn't exist.

It is reassuring to the rest of us that your belief in an eternal torturing version of Jesus keeps you from behaviour in this life that you wish to avoid.

@divegeester said
Do you think it isn't?

No.