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Pence's Repentance

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Vice President Mike Pence is said to be a devout Christian but he is in an unenviable position when he is defending the demonstrably untrue things the U.S. President sometimes says.

Even if you don't believe the president lies and you don't think that the vice president says anything dishonest when he comments on what the president has said, for the sake of argument, let's say he does.

And, for the sake of argument, let's not make it a party political thing: let them be from whatever party.

This thread is not meant to be about retail politics; it's meant to be about morality and religious belief in the context of retail politics.

If a purportedly devout Christian like Mike Pence knowingly "bears false witness" [lies] for years and years - maybe 8 years under Trump, followed by maybe another 8 years as president [let's say, for the sake of argument that's what pans out], and he does this, willfully and consciously, because he sees it as a necessary part of making his political activity successful, is this morally unsound behaviour [or "sin" if you prefer] mitigated or absolved if he sincerely intends, all along, to repent after the 16 years are over?


@fmf said
Vice President Mike Pence is said to be a devout Christian but he is in an unenviable position when he is defending the demonstrably untrue things the U.S. President sometimes says.

Even if you don't believe the president lies and you don't think that the vice president says anything dishonest when he comments on what the president has said, for the sake of argument, let's sa ...[text shortened]... er] mitigated or absolved if he sincerely intends, all along, to repent after the 16 years are over?
Forgiveness in the Bible is a “release” or a “dismissal” of something. The forgiveness we have in Christ involves the release of sinners from God’s just penalty and the complete dismissal of all charges against us (see Romans 8:1). Colossians 1:14 says that in God’s beloved Son “we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.”...

Forgiveness is an integral part of salvation. When Jesus forgives us, our sins, trespasses, iniquities, and transgressions are erased, wiped off the record. Forgiveness of sin is comparable to financial debt being erased. When Jesus said, “It is finished,” from the cross (John 19:30), He was literally saying, “It is paid in full” (tetelestai in Greek). Jesus took the punishment we deserved, so, when God forgives us of our sins, we are free; we no longer live under that debt. Our sins are wiped out. God will never hold that sin against us (Psalm 103:12).

https://www.gotquestions.org/what-is-forgiveness.html


@thinkofone said
https://www.gotquestions.org/what-is-forgiveness.html
Does the text you have quoted coincide with your own opinion and viewpoint?

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@fmf said
Does the text you have quoted coincide with your own opinion and viewpoint?
Of course not.

But from the viewpoint of evangelical Christianity....


@thinkofone said
Of course not.

But from the viewpoint of evangelical Christianity....
Your own viewpoint would be more interesting than a copy paste of someone else's.

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@fmf said
Your own viewpoint would be more interesting than a copy paste of someone else's.
In the OP, you asked the wrong question. You don't seem to understand the problem domain. That's what's interesting.


@thinkofone said
In the OP, you asked the wrong question. You don't seem to understand the problem domain.
Keep your viewpoint to yourself then.


@fmf said
Keep your viewpoint to yourself then.
That is my viewpoint.


@thinkofone said
That is my viewpoint.
Thanks. I will await the viewpoints of Christians and see if they deviate from your copy paste. There may then be some discussion of those Christian viewpoints on morality and religious belief in the context of retail politics.






@fmf said
Vice President Mike Pence is said to be a devout Christian but he is in an unenviable position when he is defending the demonstrably untrue things the U.S. President sometimes says.

Even if you don't believe the president lies and you don't think that the vice president says anything dishonest when he comments on what the president has said, for the sake of argument, let's sa ...[text shortened]... er] mitigated or absolved if he sincerely intends, all along, to repent after the 16 years are over?
You're clueless. It doesn't work that way. That's wholesale hypocrisy.

Just the sort of thing an atheist like you might think of.

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@secondson said
You're clueless. It doesn't work that way. That's wholesale hypocrisy.

Just the sort of thing an atheist like you might think of.
And it's exactly why Pascal's Wager does not work.