Permanent Members of Christ's Royal Family

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I don't know what anyone's eternal state is, that isn't even the topic!
My point and it has not changed.
What is true in his eyes?
He believed it was true at one time. Granted
He believes it is not true now. Granted
Therefore, what he believed before was not true by what he currently believes.
Kelly

Originally posted by FMF
Originally posted by FMF
[b]Do you or do you not accept that someone's beliefs can change?

Originally posted by KellyJay
Yes, without a doubt your beliefs can change!

You either believe that people's beliefs can change or you don't.

You or me believing something to be true does not, in and of itself, make it true.[/b]

I've told you over and over, I accept your claim....you said you used
to be a Christian, which is to say you were right with God in Jesus Christ,
and had the Holy Spirit guiding you in your life.

You NOW claim that isn't true, therefore what you had before was not
real, it couldn't be, because you deny it now.


You can claim anything you want, you can believe anything you want!
Changing your beliefs to deny what you once held as true is up to you.
When you do that, you deny what you once held as true, as being false.
If it was false, you never had the real thing!
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
If it was false, you never had the real thing!

I did not think it was false back when I believed it. Back when I believed it was the real thing, I thought I had the real thing. Those beliefs in the past were what they were. They are ~ in and of their time ~ unaffected by what I believe now.

OK, now that is settled ~ you have accepted that I believed in Christ, right? ~ can we now continue with the discussion we were having on page 3?

Here was the question: do you think that I ~ an ex-Christian and an "unbeliever" [in Christian terms] ~ am now a permanent member of Christ's Royal Family and that I cannot lose my salvation on account of the fact that I used to believe in Christ at one point in my life?

Originally posted by FMF
I did not think it was false back when I believed it.

OK, now that is settled ~ you have accepted that I believed in Christ, right? ~ can we now continue with the discussion we were having on page 3?

Here was the question: do you think that I ~ an ex-Christian and an "unbeliever" [in Christian terms] ~ am now a permanent member of Christ's Royal Family and ...[text shortened]... se my salvation on account of the fact that I used to believe in Christ at one point in my life?

He is talking more bull than a herd of Texan Longhorns, the scriptures are full of accounts of people having once been Christians, partakers of Holy spirit etc and that suffered spiritual shipwreck for one reason or another.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
...the scriptures are full of accounts of people having once been Christians, partakers of Holy spirit etc and that suffered spiritual shipwreck for one reason or another.

Not that it's especially relevant to this thread, but ~ of course ~ from my point of view, 'releasing' myself from Christianity was not a "spiritual shipwreck" at all, quite the opposite.

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Just to be clear here, with me not being able (according to you) to "un-believe" Christian faith, you think I might still be a Christian regardless of the fact that I do not hold any Christian beliefs, is that what you are saying?

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I think the whole concept of someone supposedly not being able to "un-believe" beliefs is nonsensical. In your mind, does this inability to "un-believe" have nothing to do with actual beliefs?

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I have no relationship with God of this kind other than in your imagination.

Originally posted by FMF
I did not think it was false back when I believed it. Back when I believed it was the real thing, I thought I had the real thing. Those beliefs in the past were what they were. They are ~ in and of their time ~ unaffected by what I believe now.

OK, now that is settled ~ you have accepted that I believed in Christ, right? ~ can we now continue with the discuss ...[text shortened]... se my salvation on account of the fact that I used to believe in Christ at one point in my life?

I've always accepted you believed in Christ, as I told you even the
devil believes, believing is NOTHING by itself.

To be a Christian requires God, it requires Jesus, it requires the Holy
Spirit which you deny as real now. So if you deny it, then when you
claimed you "believed" it wasn't real, because you now deny it. If you
said I had a relationship with Christ and walked away, He is real, but
not for me than that would put me in a position to say there is nothing
left for you but fire. Which for your sake I hope isn't true.
Kelly