Originally posted by whodeyEdit: “How can one assess that an illusion is present? If one were to see something as an illustion, and it is an illusion, it must not be a very good illusion."
How can one assess that an illusion is present? If one were to see something as an illustion, and it is an illusion, it must not be a very good illusion. 😛
Really this sort of thinking can eventually lead to madness so we must pick and choose our illusions carefully and assign meaning to them in regards to our existence. As for myself, when I read the ...[text shortened]... Can we say the same about any other emotion or phenomenon? Is anything else "eternal"?
One can assess that an illusion is present when one isn’t delusional and keeps in mind that the perfect illusion one can grasp is just as perfect as the perfect reality one can grasp😵
Edit: “Really this sort of thinking can eventually lead to madness so we must pick and choose our illusions carefully and assign meaning to them in regards to our existence.”
Yes. This is the reason why one has to use Taia’s Sword😵
Edit: “As for myself, when I read the miracles of the Bible, some view them as "impossible", however, in a universe in a perpetual state of flux what does the term "impossible" mean?”
For one: if the miracles are real they are not miracles since they are possible under specific circumstances, therefore there is nothing holy about them just as there is nothing holy in the changing of the taste of the water when one is mixing it with honey; and, if the miracles were indeed really impossible, they would never be manifested.
For two: in a universe of constant flux anything goes according to the nature of the universe, however there is no place for anything supernatural because every manifested phenomenon is natural due to the fact that it is manifested strictly out of an endless pool of probabilities;
Edit: “I would like to…else "eternal"?”
I am not aware of the existence of a “material” world separated from “some other kind of supernatural world”. How did you came to know about the so called "existence that lays beyond that material world"?
And, “Love” the way you pose it, in my opinion is neither an emotion nor a phenomenon nor "eternal", but an empty concept. Could you perhaps rephrase?
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Originally posted by KellyJayCurrent science has it that the simultaneity of events is relative to the observer's reference frame. This is not just their apparent simultaneity, it is their actual simultaneity.
This is why I believe the universe shares a common 'now', we may not share
the same perspective, but that is due to our limitations.
Kelly
Perhaps the "limitation" you refer to is being stuck in a reference frame. An observer (dare I say Observer?) not so stuck, would observe all events at once, including those that are past, present and future to us.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativity_of_simultaneity
Originally posted by JS357Only God can do that.
Current science has it that the simultaneity of events is relative to the observer's reference frame. This is not just their apparent simultaneity, it is their actual simultaneity.
Perhaps the "limitation" you refer to is being stuck in a reference frame. An observer (dare I say Observer?) not so stuck, would observe all events at once, including those tha ...[text shortened]... re past, present and future to us.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativity_of_simultaneity
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Originally posted by JS357Which was why I said for us we look at things according to our limitations, we
Current science has it that the simultaneity of events is relative to the observer's reference frame. This is not just their apparent simultaneity, it is their actual simultaneity.
Perhaps the "limitation" you refer to is being stuck in a reference frame. An observer (dare I say Observer?) not so stuck, would observe all events at once, including those tha ...[text shortened]... re past, present and future to us.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativity_of_simultaneity
define things by our limitations that does not; however, mean that our grasp
of things really has anything to do with the current universe we find ourselves
in. You really think nothing can happen at the same time if you cannot see
them at the same time?
Kelly
Originally posted by RJHinds“it may be that it is something to do with space that is warped AND NOT time ...” (my emphasis)
In the wikipedia article on space it says the following:
"In the 19th and 20th centuries mathematicians began to examine non-Euclidean geometries, in which space can be said to be curved, rather than flat. According to Albert Einstein's theory of general relativity, space around gravitational fields deviates from Euclidean space. Experimental tests of ge ...[text shortened]... at it is something to do with space that is warped and not time
since time is a measurement.
oh dear -haven't you heard of “space-time”? You cannot have one warped without the other! It is BOTH that is warped!
“...since time is a measurement. ...”
if “time is a measurement” then “space is a measurement” ?
Originally posted by Andrew HamiltonSpace can be measured but is not a measurement.
“it may be that it is something to do with space that is warped AND NOT time ...” (my emphasis)
oh dear -haven't you heard of “space-time”? You cannot have one warped without the other! It is BOTH that is warped!
“...since time is a measurement. ...”
if “time is a measurement” then “space is a measurement” ?
Time is a measurement broken down into years, months,
weeks, days, hours, minutes, and seconds.
Originally posted by RJHindsThen, according to this string of thought, what exacty are in your opinon a mm, a cm, a m, a yard, a km, a mile etc? Shouldn't you consider that "space is indeed a measurement broken down in mm, cm, m, yards, km, miles etc" oh the horror?
Space can be measured but is not a measurement.
Time is a measurement broken down into years, months,
weeks, days, hours, minutes, and seconds.
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Originally posted by black beetleThose are ways man has come up with to measure the amount
Then, according to this string of thought, what exacty are in your opinon a mm, a cm, a m, a yard, a km, a mile etc? Shouldn't you consider that "space is indeed a measurement broken down in mm, cm, m, yards, km, miles etc" oh the horror?
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of space. For example we csn tell someone how much cubic
centimeters or cubic inches is inside a box. But we determine
what method of measurement we will use so the other person
understands. Unlike time, space has always existed. It does
not require the sun, moon, earth, stars and light, like time does.
So, no space is not a measurement, but can be measured.
Time only began when the universe was created by God.
Space was not created because it always existed with God.
Originally posted by RJHindsIs there Biblical support for God not creating space? Aren't the heavens, space? "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."
Those are ways man has come up with to measure the amount
of space. For example we csn tell someone how much cubic
centimeters or cubic inches is inside a box. But we determine
what method of measurement we will use so the other person
understands. Unlike time, space has always existed. It does
not require the sun, moon, earth, stars and light, like ...[text shortened]... when the universe was created by God.
Space was not created because it always existed with God.