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Originally posted by twhitehead
It is 'space time' that is warped. And if we were wrong about it, your GPS would not work. The exact amount of warping involved because of the speed of the satellites and the gravity of the earth have to be taken into account when correcting for that warp on the atomic clocks on the GPS satellites.

Many of the laws of physics include a time factor. Ato ...[text shortened]... ld be invisible to any measuring apparatus etc, it really wouldn't be any use to anyone.
I figured it had to do with more than just time. Thanks.

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Originally posted by RJHinds
I figured it had to do with more than just time. Thanks.
Space also is warped, and again, we only know this by measuring it. But when our measurements rely on fundamental principles of physics (such as the fact that light in a vacuum travels in a straight line) we say it is the space that is warped. If one shone light in a triangle around the sun (or any massive body for that matter) one would find that the angles do not add up to 180 degrees. This leads to gravitational lensing and be seen in many astronomical pictures.

Now one could say 'light is bent and not space', but since everything would be bent, as far as the laws of physics are concerned it is space itself that is bent and the hypothesized unbent space is nowhere to be seen.

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One the one hand, I’ve already acknowledged the correction vis-à-vis “beginning”—as long as it just refers to the possible finiteness of time (to the past).

On the other hand, it is philosophical in that description of even settled physical phenomena can become inconsistent and nonsensical when language that is time-dependent (or dependent on dimensionality per se) is used in the wrong context: e.g., it is still nonsensical to speak of “before” time (and if time-space dimensionality is part of the universe, to speak of “before” the universe existed).

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Originally posted by Taoman
The croaking met the moon
and never stopped
until the West
swallowed them both.

It was a very long night.

Time slowed down by each croak,
in the silence of the moon
till all was still.

Never stopping,
it had frozen time itself.
Wonderful!

(Though I'd enjoy a draught of blackbeetle's Glenlivet, too!)

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Originally posted by KellyJay
So far it seems to me that people judge time much like we do the wind, we
see its effects, we feel the air moving against us, we see things moved by it,
but the wind is lost on us unless we see doing something.
Kelly
illusion? (is there something behind it)

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Originally posted by vistesd
“Time had a beginning” is a strictly nonsensical statement.

Similarly, “Time and space are effects that must have a cause,” is a strictly nonsensical statement.

—It is not just the words that are nonsensical, but the (pseudo-) concepts that the words attempt to express.

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Please discuss why you think ...[text shortened]... or not true—or not really propositions at all…. Thanks in advance for all considered responses.
"Time Is What Prevents Everything From Happening At Once.." - John Wheeler (1911-2008)
The quote continues: "Space is what prevents everything from happening to me!"

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Originally posted by JS357
"Time Is What Prevents Everything From Happening At Once.." - John Wheeler (1911-2008)
The quote continues: "Space is what prevents everything from happening to me!"
I like those quotes. A wise man in a humorous way.

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Since we're in a quoting mood...

"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move."

Douglas Adams

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Originally posted by JS357
"Time Is What Prevents Everything From Happening At Once.." - John Wheeler (1911-2008)
The quote continues: "Space is what prevents everything from happening to me!"
Everything is always happening all at once, its the once that is in the now.
Now, not everything can be aware of everything else, but that is simply due
to lack of abilities and limitations nothing more.
Kelly

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Originally posted by Palynka
Since we're in a quoting mood...

"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move."

Douglas Adams
Yes, it seems the atheist ans evolutionists top the list of angry people.

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Originally posted by KellyJay
Everything is always happening all at once, its the once that is in the now.
Now, not everything can be aware of everything else, but that is simply due
to lack of abilities and limitations nothing more.
Kelly
You lost me here. What happened to the past and the future?
I suppose you mean God is only aware of everything else.

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Originally posted by RJHinds
I like those quotes. A wise man in a humorous way.
And yet one of those nasty atheistic scientists.
Go figure ...

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Originally posted by amannion
And yet one of those nasty atheistic scientists.
Go figure ...
Most scientist are not atheistic as you presume.

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Originally posted by RJHinds
You lost me here. What happened to the past and the future?
I suppose you mean God is only aware of everything else.
Look at it this way, everything that has happened has done so in the past, all
that has not happen yet is in the future, everything else is all happening at the
same time, now.
Kelly

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Originally posted by KellyJay
Look at it this way, everything that has happened has done so in the past, all
that has not happen yet is in the future, everything else is all happening at the
same time, now.
Kelly
Okay. I get you now.