Originally posted by robbie carrobieWell, to get to the 'bone' of the matter, if we didn't live in a sin cursed world there wouldn't be any need for any kind of punishment at all.
I think there is a rationale but understanding what it is and what its based on is not easy. It seems to be that there are a few arguments and if we cut away the flesh and get to the bone we are left with,
1. That corporal punishment leads to other forms of physical abuse.
2. That corporal punishment teaches that violence is a solution.
There may be others but this is what i have understood so far.
The Bible is clear. Proverbs 22:15
Foolishness [is] bound in the heart of a child; [but] the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.
Notice it says "rod of correction" not rod of abuse. I've seen that form of discipline abused. I would no more strike my son with a rod than I would lash him with a whip. Corporal punishment should be administered with common sense and love. Never in anger.
Originally posted by josephwyes but no one is disputes that the Bible makes for the provision of corporal punishment. I am trying to understand why it has been deemed illegal. What are the reasons for making it illegal.
Well, to get to the 'bone' of the matter, if we didn't live in a sin cursed world there wouldn't be any need for any kind of punishment at all.
The Bible is clear. Proverbs 22:15
Foolishness [is] bound in the heart of a child; [but] the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.
Notice it says "rod of correction" not rod of abuse. I've seen that ...[text shortened]... h a whip. Corporal punishment should be administered with common sense and love. Never in anger.
Originally posted by OdBodThe 'look at the animal kingdom', argument is bordering on a fallacy - why ? because there are many aspects of animal behaviour that if practised by humans would have devastating consequences. There should be an animal equating to human behaviour logical fallacy category.
I'm not sure what you mean by your post? Are you equating rape to MILD physical discipline?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI disagree totally, we are part of the animal kingdom, and our behaviours are sophisticated versions of more primitive forms.
The 'look at the animal kingdom', argument is bordering on a fallacy - why ? because there are many aspects of animal behaviour that if practised by humans would have devastating consequences. There should be an animal equating to human behaviour logical fallacy category.
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Originally posted by OdBodNo, I am saying that calling something 'natural' doesn't make it OK, nor does observing similar behavior in other animals.
I'm not sure what you mean by your post? Are you equating rape to MILD physical discipline?
And why the emphasis on MILD physical discipline? Severe physical discipline also exists amoungst animals.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieIt's actually more than bordering on a fallacy, it IS a fallacy...
The 'look at the animal kingdom', argument is bordering on a fallacy - why ? because there are many aspects of animal behaviour that if practised by humans would have devastating consequences. There should be an animal equating to human behaviour logical fallacy category.
The Naturalistic Fallacy in point of fact.
You ought to know this given the number of times you have been accused
[often by me] of committing it. 😉
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Originally posted by OdBodRC is correct, the fact that a behaviour is found in the animal kingdom and/or has
I disagree totally, we are part of the animal kingdom, and our behaviours are sophisticated versions of more primitive forms.
been selected for by evolution is not in any way evidence or reason that it is morally
or ethically good, by any standards.
To claim otherwise is to commit the naturalistic fallacy [among other flaws].
EDIT: my mistake. appeal to nature fallacy.