1. Standard memberThequ1ck
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    Why is it still considered good to bring children into an already overburdened
    earth at the risk of war and famine. Surely the Christian thing to do would be
    to educate people about the limitations of the world??
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    26 Oct '08 01:05
    Originally posted by Thequ1ck
    Why is it still considered good to bring children into an already overburdened
    earth at the risk of war and famine. Surely the Christian thing to do would be
    to educate people about the limitations of the world??
    I was never more educated about my limitations as when I had kids.
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    26 Oct '08 02:58
    Originally posted by kirksey957
    I was never more educated about my limitations as when I had kids.
    Well said.
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    26 Oct '08 12:51
    Originally posted by kirksey957
    I was never more educated about my limitations as when I had kids.
    I cry b******t. When you become a parent you lose all perspective of the world
    and the other people that share your air.
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    26 Oct '08 14:21
    Originally posted by Thequ1ck
    Why is it still considered good to bring children into an already overburdened
    earth at the risk of war and famine. Surely the Christian thing to do would be
    to educate people about the limitations of the world??
    Its not too late. You can fix your parents's grave mistake.
    Select a nice 20 ton cement-mixer truck and drive headon into it - 40 mph will be sufficient - make sure no other vehicles are near. Go to the dentist and update your dental records so the coroner wont have to waste time tryiing to identify you.
    Nothing will happen to the truck driver and the truck will just have a couple of scratches. Many other methods are costly or painful or tend to put others at risk.
    Good Luck ... see you on the other side.
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    26 Oct '08 18:44
    Originally posted by Thequ1ck
    Why is it still considered good to bring children into an already overburdened
    earth at the risk of war and famine. Surely the Christian thing to do would be
    to educate people about the limitations of the world??
    Treat the earth well: it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our Children. - Tribe Unknown
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    26 Oct '08 19:071 edit
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    Its not too late. You can fix your parents's grave mistake.
    Select a nice 20 ton cement-mixer truck and drive headon into it - 40 mph will be sufficient - make sure no other vehicles are near. Go to the dentist and update your dental records so the coroner wont have to waste time tryiing to identify you.
    Nothing will happen to the truck driver and the truc ...[text shortened]... are costly or painful or tend to put others at risk.
    Good Luck ... see you on the other side.
    What happened to you? you used to be cool man!
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    Originally posted by jb70
    Treat the earth well: it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our Children. - Tribe Unknown
    If we begin to have so many children that the earth cannot support us and the only
    way to lessen numbers is by disease famine and war.

    What is the more Christian thing to do?

    Carry on having children irrespectively or to consider the prosperity of others children?
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    26 Oct '08 21:54
    Originally posted by Thequ1ck
    What happened to you? you used to be cool man!
    Sorry. I got up in a bad mood this morning.
    Added to that I like family life and large families as I grew up in one and its great fun. I am convinced that part of the problem with the world is that people are becoming less and less family oriented and replacing family life with activities that are socially destructive.
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    27 Oct '08 06:33
    Originally posted by Thequ1ck
    If we begin to have so many children that the earth cannot support us and the only
    way to lessen numbers is by disease famine and war.

    What is the more Christian thing to do?

    Carry on having children irrespectively or to consider the prosperity of others children?
    The more Christian thing to do is pray for GOD'S guidance.To have faith in GOD to provide.
    Our unborn children havn't made the world unsustainable maybe they are the solution not the problem.
    I agree with your general point we must change how we live or we will end up where we are going.
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    27 Oct '08 08:07
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    Sorry. I got up in a bad mood this morning.
    Added to that I like family life and large families as I grew up in one and its great fun. I am convinced that part of the problem with the world is that people are becoming less and less family oriented and replacing family life with activities that are socially destructive.
    No worries.
    Being in a family teaches you about being in a group but it also
    teaches you to be outside of other groups, it teaches you to be selfish about your kin.

    Then when the number of groups grows to a size that outstrips the available resources,
    the groups begin to fight and kill each other. This has happened since the dawn of man.
    Would you say that at that stage the family groups have become socially destructive
    or are they constructive in that they allow one of the groups to survive?

    We can see this happening in present day in many countries and on a larger scale, wars
    being fought between nations. Family groups in positions of power and wealth.

    So my question is this. If Christianity purports to lead the way for people living together
    in a more decent and harmonious way, why does it make no attempt to address this
    behaviour? I should say that the same is true for Islam and almost all other religions.
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    27 Oct '08 08:132 edits
    Originally posted by jb70
    The more Christian thing to do is pray for GOD'S guidance.To have faith in GOD to provide.
    Our unborn children havn't made the world unsustainable maybe they are the solution not the problem.
    I agree with your general point we must change how we live or we will end up where we are going.
    Why don't you switch on your television or go for a stroll in the slums,
    maybe you'll find your guidance there.

    If you were God and you saw mankind overpopulating the planet and
    in turn killing each other for resources and you heard holymen asking
    for guidance, what do you think your answer would be?
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    27 Oct '08 08:38
    Originally posted by Thequ1ck


    If you were God and you saw mankind overpopulating the planet and
    in turn killing each other for resources and you heard holymen asking
    for guidance, what do you think your answer would be?
    How can a human think they can anticipate GOD'S responce?BTW,I don't see myself as a holyman,but I don't find that excludes asking.
    Here's a holyman Saint Thomas Aquinas:
    To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible.
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    27 Oct '08 10:133 edits
    Originally posted by jb70
    How can a human think they can anticipate GOD'S responce?BTW,I don't see myself as a holyman,but I don't find that excludes asking.
    Here's a holyman Saint Thomas Aquinas:
    To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible.
    So you believe the Christian thing to do would to address the question to God
    meanwhile continuing to be part of the problem, is that it?

    edit. You have already answered that question so here is the next.

    Who is then responsible for the suffering and wars that ensue?
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    27 Oct '08 15:00
    Originally posted by Thequ1ck
    No worries.
    Being in a family teaches you about being in a group but it also
    teaches you to be outside of other groups, it teaches you to be selfish about your kin.

    Then when the number of groups grows to a size that outstrips the available resources,
    the groups begin to fight and kill each other. This has happened since the dawn of man.
    Would you ...[text shortened]... ss this
    behaviour? I should say that the same is true for Islam and almost all other religions.
    The simple answer to your question is that the benefits of having properly structured families and good family life far outweigh the disbenefits. Good families as a minority in society can lead to difficulties but if there are mostly good family life there will be good societies and good nations.

    Your point about shortage of resources is not correct in my opinion. Spread evenly the world has more than enough of the basic necessities of life for everyone . food, clothes, water and shelter. The problem is one of distribution. Wars are fought becuase of greed and power and not because of a lack of resources.
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