Proof of Creation from Science

Originally posted by RJHinds
Computer instructions that form a complex program is produced by
an intelligent source, not by any known random process. Even a
program that produces randomness needs an intelligent source.
This has been shown over and over to be the case. No computer
program has ever been produced without the aid of an intelligent
source. This is the scientific meth ...[text shortened]... lex than man has ever created seems to me to cry out
with a loud voice that God is the creator.

Your argument seems to be - DNA is complex, it's more complex than anything man has created therefore God did it.

Again, i fail to see how that is proof of anything other than your own ignorance.

Originally posted by RJHinds
You claim to be a programmer on your profile and you don't know this?
You are like the Pharisees in the time of Jesus. Read the Gospels to
learn about them. Contrary to what you have been taught life comes
from life and the source of life goes all the way back to the intelligent
Creator, God. The conclusions I give are the most logical ones that
anyone could conceive.

Yes, I am a programmer, and no, I don't know it.
You are making a serious logical error.
You are saying:
1. All programs are created, including programs A, B, C.
2. Therefore program C is created.
But 2 is already stated as a given in 1 and is not really a conclusion at all. What you need to do is prove 1.

Originally posted by RJHinds
I thought you did not get it from the first link and needed a little more
information. However, if you are not interested in being educated,
that is fine with me. Don't worry about it. There is no reason to
get angry. Just ignore me if you wish. I am presenting the info for
those that want to know.

There is NOTHING in the first link.
If you think there is please give a quote.

Originally posted by wolfgang59
There is NOTHING in the first link.
If you think there is please give a quote.

Whatever his quote is, I'll beat it, or your money back.

Originally posted by wolfgang59
There is NOTHING in the first link.
If you think there is please give a quote.

Okay I apologize. That is why I referred you to the other link.
I think you will find more information there if you don't want to
buy his book. Here it is again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=c-p66Ql2uxY

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
Whatever his quote is, I'll beat it, or your money back.

How much money do you want?

P.S. What has happened to your chess rating? Did you go on a
resigning spree to reduce your games? or what? You seem too
witty for that low of a chess rating. Maybe you should read
some books on chess tactics. You are welcome, in advance.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Your argument seems to be - DNA is complex, it's more complex than anything man has created therefore God did it.

Again, i fail to see how that is proof of anything other than your own ignorance.

Why must you continue to wallow in your own conceit, thinking you are wise?
Check out this link if you are hungry for the answer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=c-p66Ql2uxY

Originally posted by RJHinds
Why must you continue to wallow in your own conceit, thinking you are wise?
Check out this link if you are hungry for the answer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=c-p66Ql2uxY

I have no interest watching your youtube videos and using up my bandwidth. Put it into your own words or don't bother.

Me conceited? That coming from you is rich.

Originally posted by RJHinds
How much money do you want?

P.S. What has happened to your chess rating? Did you go on a
resigning spree to reduce your games? or what? You seem too
witty for that low of a chess rating. Maybe you should read
some books on chess tactics. You are welcome, in advance.

maybe you shouldn't equate chess ratings with (spiritual) truth/ knowledge.

You are the best example of this that comes to mind.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Proof need evidence and the evidence is there that proves the existence
of an intelligent cause for the creation and thus, proof of a Creator.
Logic man, simple logic.

Not sure what you are trying to say here, but 'proof' is the summation of sufficient evidence to prove a point without doubt.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
I have no interest watching your youtube videos and using up my bandwidth. Put it into your own words or don't bother.

Me conceited? That coming from you is rich.

Ha, ha. I will not bother. 😀

Originally posted by divegeester
Not sure what you are trying to say here, but 'proof' is the summation of sufficient evidence to prove a point without doubt.

No doubt in my mind. 😏

Originally posted by RJHinds
He is speaking of what scientist have found. Not him personally.
Other scientists have discovered coded information in the form
of computer-like programs more sophisticated than any Microsoft
has devised, according to Bill Gates. “DNA is like a computer program
but far, far more advanced than any software ever created.”
-- Bill Gates, The Road Ahead

http://evolutionfacts.blogspot.com/

so in response to my question of "where's the beef?" the best thing you could come up with is a speculation that a one-time computer programmer (who is not a scientist) had to say?

you get an F in science.

Originally posted by VoidSpirit
so in response to my question of "where's the beef?" the best thing you could come up with is a speculation that a one-time computer programmer (who is not a scientist) had to say?

you get an F in science.

He has a science degree and worked as a scientist for a short time, until
he got his PHD is science philosophy. So you are jumping to a conclusion
when you do not know what you are talking about.

Originally posted by RJHinds
He has a science degree and worked as a scientist for a short time, until
he got his PHD is science philosophy. So you are jumping to a conclusion
when you do not know what you are talking about.

RJHinds, IF anyone had PROOF that there was a creator of the universe/us/ID then that person
would win the Nobel prize and would be published in prestigious journals.

Nobody has such proof.

ID is not science.
It violates the principles of science, and is simply a reworked version of creationism with a veneer
of scientific sounding language in an attempt to garner some of sciences respectability.

ID is also completely and utterly useless as an explanation.
It doesn't predict ANYTHING, and doesn't explain ANYTHING.
You can't explain a mystery by appealing to a bigger mystery.

And even if all that were not true, it still gets you nowhere in demonstrating the existence of your god.

If it were true that the universe (and life) needed a 'creator' then that doesn't say anything about who that
creator is, what they are like, demonstrate the existence of souls or spirit, or an afterlife.


And just because the universe (or life) doesn't need a creator, then that doesn't mean that souls don't exist,
there is no afterlife, and that your god doesn't exist. (there is no evidence that they do, but you believe on blind
faith anyway)


Evolution by natural selection is one of (if not The) greatest and most robust theories in science.
It has more evidence for it than almost any other theory in science.
It has no evidence against it at all whatsoever.

And it in no way threatens you, your religion, or your god. (unless you make it a fight between your religion and science
between your religion and truth, in which case science and truth will win. So I advise against that)

Most people who accept evolution are, after all, Christians.
Heck, even the Catholics accept evolution. (and they have a history of violently opposing the blindingly obvious)

Your obsession with declaring against all evidence and reason that evolution is false and that ID is true is utterly
without point.
It's irrelevant to the existence of your god.
And more importantly its not true, and anyone with even the most basic understanding of science knows it.

If you have any specific quires about how evolution works, and what evidence/reasoning is behind it and you
take the time/effort to actually type in your thoughts rather than link youtube videos of Christian radio then I
and others will happily explain and discuss those points with you.

But simply restating your false statement that evolution isn't science or true is to simply become a broken record.