Originally posted by sonhouseI suppose it depends on your definition of hell.
Can't do it can you? Only humans could come up with a system so cruel. Cruelty is a major aspect of humanity, would not think a deity would be that cruel. A deity capable of breathing in an entire universe would have much bigger things on its mind than punishing so-called errant humans.
There are children being crucified by ISIS on crosses. There are gays being thrown off the roof tops in the Middle East for being gay. There are unborn infants who try to evade the surgical instruments of abortion doctors before being snuffed out and used as spare parts. There is no doubt new posters who are reading through the spirituality forums with their eyes ready to bleed etc.
Hell is suffering, and there be a lot of it to go around.
Should the next life be different?
Originally posted by sonhouseClearly you have never been to Bideford.
Can't do it can you? Only humans could come up with a system so cruel. Cruelty is a major aspect of humanity, would not think a deity would be that cruel. A deity capable of breathing in an entire universe would have much bigger things on its mind than punishing so-called errant humans.
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To the direct question posed by the title of this thread -
Prove hell exists. Without the bible.
My personal answer would be I couldn't.
Furthermore I really couldn't PROVE it exists with the Bible either. I think I could give a good set of evidence that we are on the right track to believe that Hell exists.
And by "hell" I am referring to its more vernacular understanding as a place of punishment after physical death.
Originally posted by sonshipIs prison a punishment? Do you suppose they like being raped everyday?
To the direct question posed by the title of this thread -
[b] Prove hell exists. Without the bible.
My personal answer would be I couldn't.
Furthermore I really couldn't PROVE it exists with the Bible either. I think I could give a good set of evidence that we are on the right track to believe that Hell exists.
And by "hell" I am referring to its more vernacular understanding as a place of punishment after physical death.[/b]
Originally posted by sonhouseProve anything without the evidence it does.
Can't do it can you? Only humans could come up with a system so cruel. Cruelty is a major aspect of humanity, would not think a deity would be that cruel. A deity capable of breathing in an entire universe would have much bigger things on its mind than punishing so-called errant humans.
Originally posted by sonhouseEvidence is evidence, and so I'd say yes. A compilation of 66 different books written
In other words, the bible is just as valid as any aspect of any science.
over a span of 1500 years, by 40 different authors is something I think is worth a
look. Not something I take for data in a lab, but written history is used as evidence
from time to time.
Originally posted by KellyJaySo I choose 26 authors who have written 2 novels and 14 authors who have
Evidence is evidence, and so I'd say yes. A compilation of 66 different books written
over a span of 1500 years, by 40 different authors is something I think is worth a
look. Not something I take for data in a lab, but written history is used as evidence
from time to time.
written a single novel ... and I bind them all together in a BIG BOOK andI have ... ?
What exactly?
66 different books written by 40 different authors!
MUST BE WORTH A LOOK 🙄
Originally posted by sonhouseprove kepler's laws of planetary motion. but you can't use math of any kind.
Can't do it can you? Only humans could come up with a system so cruel. Cruelty is a major aspect of humanity, would not think a deity would be that cruel. A deity capable of breathing in an entire universe would have much bigger things on its mind than punishing so-called errant humans.
prove X murdered Y but you can't use the video surveillance that absolutely proves X murdered Y.
you can't restrict someone in a debate. you can argue on the merits of his evidence but you can't tell him to make his point without it.