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Originally posted by sonshipNot necessarily true. The insinuation is that you are okay with it. That’s the messed up part.
I don't like the concept of never ending suffering.
You do not believe me. But I think NO human being could POSSIBLY be fond of such a concept.
So read my pixels - [b]I DON'T LIKE IT.
But we human beings have fallen from suc ...[text shortened]... kind would contain SOME things we would not approve of.
(I said SOME things.)[/b]
Maybe there will be levels of chastisement so that the lesser level would be as heaven compared to the lowest level. How do I know?
Yeah, who knows? Maybe eternal suffering ain't such a bad thing after all? 🙄
It's humorous to watch these sorts of mental gymnastics.
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Originally posted by LemonJelloI didn't say it was not bad.Maybe there will be levels of chastisement so that the lesser level would be as heaven compared to the lowest level. How do I know?
Yeah, who knows? Maybe eternal suffering ain't such a bad thing after all? 🙄
It's humorous to watch these sorts of mental gymnastics.
I admitted that the different levels of culpability may comparatively cover a large scope.
Am I allowed to say "What if" speculation, when I admit that it IS just that? This admits that there are unknowns to me.
Originally posted by Great King RatHey! I'm busy. I'm only human you know. I have things to do. I can't be here all the time. Try to be patient.
Which I why I quoted him, so that it would be obvious what I was referring to.
You know, you give and you give and you give. And whadaya get in return? Nottin', thats what.
I knew what you were referring to. Wait a minute...
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Originally posted by Great King RatSo, you want to be enlightened? Well here it is. Your concept of God is twisted.
"Your understanding of God is twisted" (specifically concerning God torturing people)
"Enlighten me."
"About what?"
Are you playing a game??
Do you need more? Ok. You don't believe there is a God, yet you malign the nature and character of the God of the Bible. #1. That is not only rude, but it is inhumanly insulting and low life crass. #2. I doubt you have the balls to say it to my face. #3. It is intellectually dishonest because you know it's a lie.
You don't know the first thing about how to debate, but you are able to sling crude, disgusting, foul, coarse and derogatory insults against something that means everything to me in this life. You and your ilk posting in this forum say the vilest things about a God you don't believe exists. That's beyond stupid! In fact it's revealing about your own character.
What's more is that not only do you insult a God you don't believe exists, but you take every opportunity to deride and insult living human beings you know exist. Low life behavior at it's worst.
Why do you do it? I'll tell you why so that you will be fully enlightened. You do it because you are filled with fear and hate. You do it because you are a hypocrite who pretends to be tolerant, but in fact displays some of the most intolerant opinions and views while calling others bigots.
You blame religion, and God, for all manner of human ills when in fact it is the hypocrites like you and others that are the cause of the problem. Because you lie like hell about God and the Bible and anything else that's good.
Take it with a grain of salt old boy. I ain't sayin' I'm better than you.
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Originally posted by josephwHoly Rant, Batman!
So, you want to be enlightened? Well here it is. Your concept of God is twisted.
Do you need more? Ok. You don't believe there is a God, yet you malign the nature and character of the God of the Bible. #1. That is not only rude, but it is inhumanly insulting and low life crass. #2. I doubt you have the balls to say it to my face. #3. It is intellectually ...[text shortened]... g else that's good.
Take it with a grain of salt old boy. I ain't sayin' I'm better than you.
Well, at least you were clever enough to add in those last two sentences. Gives the fake appearance of lightheartedness. Bit like the well-known "It's just a joke" phrase.
Try as I might though, I cannot find a single piece of enlightenment in here. Would you like to try again, now that you got that rant out of your system and in to the eternity of the Internet? You know, when you have some time of course.
Originally posted by Great King RatSimply put, you're making it up about God. What you need to know in order to be enlightened is that what there is to know about God comes from God.
Holy Rant, Batman!
Well, at least you were clever enough to add in those last two sentences. Gives the fake appearance of lightheartedness. Bit like the well-known "It's just a joke" phrase.
Try as I might though, I cannot find a single piece of enlightenment in here. Would you like to try again, now that you got that rant out of your system and in to the eternity of the Internet? You know, when you have some time of course.
Pure logic. You can't just go around saying things about God that you didn't get from God.
If there is no God then it doesn't matter, but even that doesn't give you the right to misrepresent the God of the Bible. I don't go outside the Bible to prove anything about God. I stick to the narrative. If you're going to critique the God of the Bible, then use the source of information that defines the nature and character of God to prove your contentions.
Otherwise your arguments are merely your opinions, and opinions don't prove anything.
Originally posted by josephwYou are right that I don't believe in a god. Hence I'm also not afraid of sinning or being eternally punished or whatever.
Simply put, you're making it up about God. What you need to know in order to be enlightened is that what there is to know about God comes from God.
Pure logic. You can't just go around saying things about God that you didn't get from God.
If there is no God then it doesn't matter, but even that doesn't give you the right to misrepresent the God of the ...[text shortened]... ntions.
Otherwise your arguments are merely your opinions, and opinions don't prove anything.
As a result I'm also not making statements about what God does and doesn't do - after all, I don't believe in a god.
I am however making statements about what you folks believe and approve of.
For instance in the "Shouting in the streets" thread, sonship mentions But the lost will glorify Him with their endless woe. They will be hung out in chains of punishment as an example to deter other worlds. This all sounds very horrible, yet sonship not only approves of this, he actually loves, admires, yes worships the being that is going to do this (according to sonship!).
Notice that I am not making statements about god, merely making statements about what people believe about god. Whenever I seem to be making statements about god, I am simply repeating what believers are saying about their idea about god.
Now, if you will, please enlighten me about the actual claim that is apparently "twisted" concerning god torturing people. You don't believe this? What do you think then happens to sinners and unbelievers? If you think nothing horrible will happen to them, then fine, but then I'm not sure why you responded to the point I made towards sonship.
Originally posted by Great King Rat"You are right that I don't believe in a god. Hence I'm also not afraid of sinning or being eternally punished or whatever."
You are right that I don't believe in a god. Hence I'm also not afraid of sinning or being eternally punished or whatever.
As a result I'm also not making statements about what God does and doesn't do - after all, I don't believe in a god.
I am however making statements about what you folks believe and approve of.
For instance in the "Shoutin ...[text shortened]... to them, then fine, but then I'm not sure why you responded to the point I made towards sonship.
I get that. Seems logical to me. What have you to fear? (Not being facetious)
"As a result I'm also not making statements about what God does and doesn't do - after all, I don't believe in a god."
I get that too. But I do believe in God. So where's the middle ground? Maybe there isn't any. So, I will persuade you, some how or the other.
"I am however making statements about what you folks believe and approve of."
Now we're getting somewhere. I expect no less and welcome any and all objective observations.
"For instance in the "Shouting in the streets" thread, sonship mentions [b]But the lost will glorify Him with their endless woe. They will be hung out in chains of punishment as an example to deter other worlds. This all sounds very horrible, yet sonship not only approves of this, he actually loves, admires, yes worships the being that is going to do this (according to sonship!)."[/b]
I am having a difficult time finding solid Biblical grounds to support the assertion you quoted by sonship.
"Notice that I am not making statements about god, merely making statements about what people believe about god. Whenever I seem to be making statements about god, I am simply repeating what believers are saying about their idea about god."
Believe me, I feel your frustration. Probably 90% of what people say about what the Bible teaches is false. It's a maze out there. For me, I've had to unlearn a lot of things I was taught in my earlier years after I first believed.
"Now, if you will, please enlighten me about the actual claim that is apparently "twisted" concerning god torturing people. You don't believe this? What do you think then happens to sinners and unbelievers? If you think nothing horrible will happen to them, then fine, but then I'm not sure why you responded to the point I made towards sonship."
I can't enlighten you. I'm not the one with the power to enlighten. I can point. I can encourage. I can persuade. Argue. Debate. I can be wrong.
But there is this one thing. IF it is true that God has spoken, and that His words are the words of life, then it is imperative that Christians stick to the narrative.
That is where the problem begins. People just naturally want God's Word to say and mean what they want it to mean. There's much I don't understand about the Bible, but if I don't understand a verse or a passage I make dang sure I don't start blabbing my mouth off about it. Still, I am flawed like everyone else.