1. Standard memberAgerg
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    If I let a kettle of water reach boiling point and then walk away for an hour I find that when I come back to it, the water that was previously scalding hot has gone freezing cold.
    My question to youReveal Hidden Content
    given that we must not allow for small incremental changes over time - a.k.a. your stance on evolution
    , is ...

    What causes all those excited, and free to move particles to suddenly clump up together really close and just stand there wiggling a bit - how come they all copy each other? (the probability of that happening due to sheer chance is, as you'll surely agree, breathtakingly small!!!) What is causing this instantaneous change from hot to cold!???

    Has there ever been any recorded instance where, just left there minding it's own business for a while, scalding hot water suddenly takes it upon itself to become fricking freezing!??
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    02 Mar '15 20:35
    Originally posted by Agerg
    If I let a kettle of water reach boiling point and then walk away for an hour I find that when I come back to it, the water that was previously scalding hot has gone freezing cold.
    My question to you[hidden]given that we must not allow for small incremental changes over time - a.k.a. your stance on evolution[/hidden], is ...

    What causes all those excited, ...[text shortened]... ess for a while, scalding hot water suddenly takes it upon itself to become fricking freezing!??
    Many are cold, but few are frozen.
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    02 Mar '15 20:41
    Originally posted by Agerg
    If I let a kettle of water reach boiling point and then walk away for an hour I find that when I come back to it, the water that was previously scalding hot has gone freezing cold.
    My question to you[hidden]given that we must not allow for small incremental changes over time - a.k.a. your stance on evolution[/hidden], is ...

    What causes all those excited, ...[text shortened]... ess for a while, scalding hot water suddenly takes it upon itself to become fricking freezing!??
    I suppose that depends on where you left the boiling hot water, since
    hot water freezes faster than cold or room. If you were in the Midwest
    during a very cold spell it would not take long at all for the water to
    freeze if it were exposed to the cold.
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    Originally posted by KellyJay
    I suppose that depends on where you left the boiling hot water, since
    hot water freezes faster than cold or room. If you were in the Midwest
    during a very cold spell it would not take long at all for the water to
    freeze if it were exposed to the cold.
    But as you surely agree, the transition from hot to cold happens in one single actionReveal Hidden Content
    just like (as opponents of evolution argue) apes are supposed to have evolved into modern humans in one step
    . So what is out there in the midwest insta-transforming this water from being boiling hot to freezing cold?
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    02 Mar '15 21:26
    Originally posted by JS357
    Many are cold, but few are frozen.
    "Sometimes the questions are complicated but the answers are simple."Reveal Hidden Content
    ~Dr. Seuss
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    02 Mar '15 23:071 edit
    Originally posted by Agerg
    But as you surely agree, the transition from hot to cold happens in one single action[hidden]just like (as opponents of evolution argue) apes are supposed to have evolved into modern humans in one step[/hidden]. So what is out there in the midwest insta-transforming this water from being boiling hot to freezing cold?
    I surely agree that water freezing will depend on the temperature and
    content of the water, how cold it is, and so on.


    The transition could be very fast for water to go from boiling to ice, take
    a pot of boiling water outside and throw it high in the air and if it is cold
    enough that will all turn to ice before it hits the ground.

    If you think water freezing is a good example for evolution, I would
    disagree.

    YouTube
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    02 Mar '15 23:10
    Originally posted by JS357
    Many are cold, but few are frozen.
    Okay, now this is funny!
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    02 Mar '15 23:29
    Originally posted by JS357
    Many are cold, but few are frozen.
    Hmm ... clearly my education is lacking, I do not get the reference here (and a google search didn't help)
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    Originally posted by Agerg
    Hmm ... clearly my education is lacking, I do not get the reference here (and a google search didn't help)
    Many are called, but few are chosen.
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    02 Mar '15 23:39
    Originally posted by JS357
    Many are cold, but few are frozen.
    Awesome post, buddy. Awesome post.
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    Ok, noting that they cheated in that video by just throwing all the water away instead of leaving it in the cup to insta-turn cold, I imagine are you saying that we might not have to wait a whole hour. Perhaps it might only take a second or so before the step is taken that transforms it from being boiling hot to freezing cold. Even if that is so, if we divide that second into a billion equal parts, you will surely agree that there is some billionth of a second for which it is just as hot as when it was first boiled, and in the next billionth is as cold as its ever going to be.

    Now my question is what causes this instantaneous change at that chosen point? and don't give me any of this so called "cooling" mumbo jumbo please - again, as per your stance on evolution we don't accept changes over time.
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    02 Mar '15 23:49
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    I suppose that depends on where you left the boiling hot water, since
    hot water freezes faster than cold or room. If you were in the Midwest
    during a very cold spell it would not take long at all for the water to
    freeze if it were exposed to the cold.
    I assume that you meant this the other way round:
    ...since hot water freezes faster than [water that is] cold or [at] room [temperature]
    as I can assure you that a bucket of cold water will freeze more quickly than an otherwise identical bucket of boiling hot water if placed in freezing conditions.
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    03 Mar '15 02:04
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Okay, now this is funny!
    Matthew 22 is worth a read. To the believer or interested nonbeliever, it presents important parts of the story.
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    03 Mar '15 02:10
    Originally posted by DeepThought
    I assume that you meant this the other way round:
    ...since hot water freezes faster than [water that is] cold or [at] room [temperature]
    as I can assure you that a bucket of cold water will freeze more quickly than an otherwise identical bucket of boiling hot water if placed in freezing conditions.
    This deserves more discussion under Science:

    http://www.iflscience.com/chemistry/hot-water-freezes-faster-cold-and-now-we-know-why
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    03 Mar '15 02:251 edit
    Originally posted by JS357
    Matthew 22 is worth a read. To the believer or interested nonbeliever, it presents important parts of the story.
    "For many are called, but few are chosen."

    This could be seen as empowering "cults" who revel in being "few" and in declaring themselves to be "chosen". It also would appear to be at odds with the notion that one has only to believe ~ as billions do, and not "few" ~ to be saved, and that this salvation purportedly comes from that belief (alone) and not from being "chosen".
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