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These friendly and non-hostile questions are for any believers in Jesus who think I may have blasphemed God by speaking of deification of the saved.
I love you in the Lord. But let me now check with your suspicion that I have blasphemed.
First question:
Was Jesus the first human being to be raised from the dead ?
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@sonship saidTo appear less contrived I suggest leaving longer gaps between posts.
C'mon. Ghost of a Duke said in essence "Christians, check sonship!" Okay. Now let me check with You , O examining fellow believer.
Was Jesus the FIRST man in the Bible to be raised from the dead ?
PB1022? Joseph(?) ?
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Not concerned with appearance. Go get the ones you think you persuaded that I blasphemed. And then step out of the way, because all you'll do is eventuallly slip away with an excuse that you're an atheist and have no dog in the fight anyway.
You did your part. Now step aside and let me check with those who were impressed with your criticisms when you had your "Defend Christian Tradition" hat on. Let it appear contrived.
Let me check substance.
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@sonship saidNo, Jesus Christ Himself raised three people from the dead, and people were raised from the dead in the Old Testament too.
These friendly and non-hostile questions are for any believers in Jesus who think I may have blasphemed God by speaking of deification of the saved.
I love you in the Lord. But let me now check with your suspicion that I have blasphemed.
First question:
Was Jesus the first human being to be raised from the dead ?
But Jesus was the first to be Resurrected from the dead (given a new body.)
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No, Jesus Christ Himself raised three people from the dead, and people were raised from the dead in the Old Testament too.
But Jesus was the first to be Resurrected from the dead (given a new body.)
Thankyou PB1022.
You say Jesus was the first to be raised with a new body? Okay.
This new body that Jesus was raised with, will He ever put it away again ?
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@sonship saidI don’t believe so, but am not aware off the top of my head what the Scriptual support for that position is
@PB1022
No, Jesus Christ Himself raised three people from the dead, and people were raised from the dead in the Old Testament too.
But Jesus was the first to be Resurrected from the dead (given a new body.)
Thankyou PB1022.
You say Jesus was the first to be raised with a new body? Okay.
This new body that Jesus was raised with, will He ever put it away again ?
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I don’t believe so, but am not aware off the top of my head what the Scriptual support for that position is
Thanks again.
Is Jesus now a MAN ?
Will He ever put away the humanity that He brought up from the dead with a new
glorified body?
Daniel 7:14 tells me that the dominion of the "One like a Son of Man" is an "eternal dominion" .
Do you suspect Jesus will be this glorified Man with a new body temporarily of eternally ? What is your hunch?
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidLet’s see where it goes
He's taking you towards deification as though painting by numbers.
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@sonship said<<Thanks again.
@PB1022
I don’t believe so, but am not aware off the top of my head what the Scriptual support for that position is
Thanks again.
Is Jesus now a MAN ?
Will He ever put away the humanity that He brought up from the dead with a new
glorified body?
Daniel 7:14 tells me that the dominion of the [b]"One like a Son of Man ...[text shortened]... pect Jesus will be this glorified Man with a new body temporarily of eternally ? What is your hunch?
Is Jesus now a MAN ?
Will He ever put away the humanity that He brought up from the dead with a new
glorified body?>>
That’s a good question. If you’re asking, and I think you are, whether Jesus Christ now is the same as He was during His earthly ministry - fully human and fully God - I say, No, based on Hebrews saying He, during his earthly ministry, had been made “a little lower than the angels” to “taste death for every man” but, after His Resurrection, He is described as being “so much better than the angels” and God the Father calls Him “God.”
<<Daniel 7:14 tells me that the dominion of the "One like a Son of Man" is an "eternal dominion" .
Do you suspect Jesus will be this glorified Man with a new body temporarily of eternally ? What is your hunch?>>
I don’t accept your premise - that Jesus is a glorified Man for the reasons stated above, though I may have others after I think about it a while.
If Jesus was “fully God and fully man” during His earthly ministry, as I think many Christians, including myself believe, do you think He maintains that status of fully God and fully man right now?
Did His death and Resurrection not change that status?
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I don’t accept your premise - that Jesus is a glorified Man for the reasons stated above, though I may have others after I think about it a while.
Yes. Do muse on this for awhile.
And as you do include in your consideration -
"Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today, yes, even forever." (Hebrews 13:8)
Is it right for me to think that Jesus yesterday was a man raised with a glorified body, today He is a man with a glorified body, and FOREVER He will be so ?
If Jesus was “fully God and fully man” during His earthly ministry, as I think many Christians, including myself believe, do you think He maintains that status of fully God and fully man right now?
Let's check. "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today, and yes, even forever ." (Heb. 13:8)
I believe Jesus Christ is fully God and fully man "FOREVER".
Any blasphemy so far? We're not Moslems. We're Christians.
Did His death and Resurrection not change that status?
I'll speak to this after you muse a bit on what I have replied so far.
Now, I believe that in "yesterday and today, yes, even forever" , it starts when Jesus was raised a glorified man - "the Firstborn from the dead".
He incarnated into humanity and became a man.
He returned to the eternal throne forever wearing the uplifted, glorified, resurrected, transfigured humanity LIFTING UP humanity.
Any blasphemy so far brother ?
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@sonship saidIt’s not up to me to say whether you’re blaspheming. That’s between you and God.
@PB1022
I don’t accept your premise - that Jesus is a glorified Man for the reasons stated above, though I may have others after I think about it a while.
Yes. Do muse on this for awhile.
And as you do include in your consideration -
"Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today, yes, even forever." (Hebrews 13:8)
Is it righ ...[text shortened]... rified, resurrected, transfigured humanity LIFTING UP humanity.
Any blasphemy so far brother ?
But you didn’t address the Scriptures from Hebrews I cited, about Jesus Christ, during His earthly ministry, being “a little lower than the angels” and after His crucifixion and Resurrection being “so much better than the angels” and God the Father calling Jesus “God.”
As for your citation of Hebrews 13:8, I’ve never taken that to refer to Jesus’ status but to His intangible qualities of justice, mercy, faithfulness, etc.
