Originally posted by menace71
So are you saying that just reading the bible is not enough? I agree that it helps to have good teachers to help but that does not change that fact that people need to just read it and God can use it
Nope not saying that at all. I said the Bible itself says that we cannot "lean upon our own understanding" on spiritual matters.
We do not have that ability to just pick up the bible and learn it all and able to understand it with our own mental abilities, we can't because there are a few things to consider.
First it would pretty much mean we would all "get it" and we would no doubt all believe the same.
No different then some book saying that 1+1=2. Everyone with any normal mental abilities would see that and we would all agree. Right?
But since we all don't agree on the Bible, especially on the deeper subjects, that clearly shows that it's just not possible to pick it up and sit in our bed at night and read it and understand all that's in it.
Again God knew exactly what he was doing when he had it written. He is searching the hearts of men and if he see's that good heart condition in a person he then begins to let them see with understanding.
And secondly Jesus himself set up the teaching work that we are supposed to be doing if we indeed are a true follower of him. He knew that it is impossible to learn and understand what his Father has said in the Bible on our own.
If that were not the case then Jesus would have done his work in another way. Maybe just have his diciples write a few notes on a bunch of scrolls and just pass them out or leave them in the local hangouts or maybe in the nightstands of the local motels?
But no that is not what he did. All of his followers were to become very well equiped and trained preachers first and then teachers.
Why was that? Because Jesus did not just leave it up to chance that by luck someone might get it right with their grasping his messages on their own. He knew it could not happen because of the way God is searching for true followers.
So yes a person can pick up the Bible and can get some good out of it. But the Bible says "not to forsake the gathering of ourselves as many have the custom" and that "when two or more gather in my name" is when his spirit will be to direct what they learn.
Too many scriptures and events in the past show we have to be with his people in a setting where it is condusive for God's spirit to be active to help us learn. We need more then just our own ability to truly learn...